Hughsie Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Iv'e been to Ibrox many times over the past few years and only once have I seen the BNP handing out leaflets, never seen the SDL. As a crowd of hundreds walked past in front of me not one person took one of their leaflets. They were completely ignored. Ive never seen them there since. My comment was in reply to Kincardine claiming that the SDL handing out material at Ibrox was a lie. Clearly, there is precedent for this kind of thing outside the ground. I'm sure the majority of fans do ignore these idiots, but surely you must ask questions as to why RFC attracts people handing out this material in the first place? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 haha ok. Someone i know used to work for a dental insurance firm which dealt with the dental plans of a number of football clubs including some spl clubs. i hasten to add - rangers were not one of them. anyhow the bold leggat used to call into said persons manager by phoning the main line asking for him. when my friend passed on phone to their boss, the boss would hang up and go outside and leggat would call him on his mobile. THAT is just how rigourous an investigative journalist leggat was - he wanted to know ALL THE GOING ONS in scottish football clubs right down to THE PLAYERS TEETH!! probably not worth a greeny to be fair... Were they celtic's dentist and he wanted to construct an elaborate theory about some sort of dental mafia? Can't imagine him caring much for diddy players' teeth. What an odd chap he is. Greeny 'cause it made me chuckle at his madness and 'cause I'm a woman of my word 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akredz Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 ERM have HMRC been told they will have to accept pennies in the pound OR ELSE !.And also TICKETUS !. Just another teaser before the Ragers get stuffed again THERE IS NO WAY HMRC WILL AGREE TO CVA. or else what ? HMRC generally don't react well to threats. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makepeace Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) being devils advocate, if a football club has say 1/3 of the total scottish football support, thats quite a market to justify putting out right wing literature (or left wing) out there. maybe not as worth it outside a smaller ground. Also, as far as i am aware, the sdl are pretty much a football casual mob that use right wing anti muslim rhetoric in order to find new forums where they can have a punch up because football is so heavily policed that theres no longer a space for that kinda thing within football. So i dont think they really have concrete enough political aims to motivate members to write, print, and disseminate literature. However, organisations like the BNP who do have definite political aims will of course print literature. Ok being less charitable towards the rangers fans now, i do think there is a bit of a market for some elements of far right discourse to prevail, not least because of the links between loyalism and far right stuff - not to mention both types of groups are very into the union flag and all that... Edited May 13, 2012 by makepeace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
)typically Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 My comment was in reply to Kincardine claiming that the SDL handing out material at Ibrox was a lie. Clearly, there is precedent for this kind of thing outside the ground. I'm sure the majority of fans do ignore these idiots, but surely you must ask questions as to why RFC attracts people handing out this material in the first place? Not really. Football fans in general are probably their target audience, mainly because large crowds gather. I'm guessing if you go to any stadium in England they will be there handing out their leaflets. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebeneezer Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 If the creditors accept, say, 10p in the pound, I presume that means the club carries on while effectively sticking two fingers up to the people it owes money too. Why would any creditor actually vote for this arrangement? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makepeace Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) Were they celtic's dentist and he wanted to construct an elaborate theory about some sort of dental mafia? Can't imagine him caring much for diddy players' teeth. What an odd chap he is. Greeny 'cause it made me chuckle at his madness and 'cause I'm a woman of my word cheers! celtic were one of the teams actually. and hearts. what was interesting was i heard about hearts not paying their bills for their players dental plans long before there were news reports about defaults and players wages coming out of tyncastle a couple of years back. wonder if leggat was the first to bring out that news haha.. apparently hes got a very creepy voice too.. Edited May 13, 2012 by makepeace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 If the creditors accept, say, 10p in the pound, I presume that means the club carries on while effectively sticking two fingers up to the people it owes money too. Why would any creditor actually vote for this arrangement? Because they've written off the debt and getting something, however poor is better than nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Not really. Football fans in general are probably their target audience, mainly because large crowds gather. I'm guessing if you go to any stadium in England they will be there handing out their leaflets. I think you're either being a tad naive or adopting a head in the sand approach to this. Been a while since I've been to either Old Firm grounds but have seen BNP handing put stuff at Ibrox and Irish Republican groups selling pamphlets outside Celtic Park. Funnily enough I've never seen either of these being sold outside Hampden at Scotland games where they frequently get 50k+ crowds. I think the words that might help in this instance are 'target' and 'market' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 If the creditors accept, say, 10p in the pound, I presume that means the club carries on while effectively sticking two fingers up to the people it owes money too. Why would any creditor actually vote for this arrangement? Many do, ultimately, for many reasons. Sympathy, reclaiming something as opposed to nothing, hopes to trade with company going forward, etc. etc. With Dundee wasn't it basically just HMRC and the managers (Chisholm & Dodds) who voted against? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Now that Green is in place how can long can we expect the dynamic duo to hang around? Aren't the dynamic duo supposed to get rid of any costs not required in running Rangers since February 14th? Who feels staying in hotels for games that are essentially friendlies and less than 1 hour away is required? Have the dynamic duo done anything even remotely resembling an administration with Rangers? Are Rangers likely to try to push through a CVA before the BTC appeal result is known? Why does anyone with a small ounce of sense think Rangers are on the up now that Green is here? They are still in the exact same boat they've been in for the last 13 weeks. What odds that the appeal on Wednesday will either cancel or delay their verdict? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No8. Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 I think you're either being a tad naive or adopting a head in the sand approach to this. Been a while since I've been to either Old Firm grounds but have seen BNP handing put stuff at Ibrox and Irish Republican groups selling pamphlets outside Celtic Park. Funnily enough I've never seen either of these being sold outside Hampden at Scotland games where they frequently get 50k+ crowds. I think the words that might help in this instance are 'target' and 'market' Proportionately there are more Raith Rovers members of the SDL than there are Rangers members. Proportionately there are more Edinburgh/Fife members than there are Glasgow members 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Because they've written off the debt and getting something, however poor is better than nothing. That really depends how little you are owed, for example if you were owed £100 as a business you'd probably say if these c**ts are gonnae steal £90 from me then i'd rather reject the CVA and try and shaft them than accept a pishy tenner. To agree a CVA with the idea that some is better than nothing my minimum threshold would be £10,000. If i was owed say £1000 from Rangers, accepting £100 would feel worse than trying to destroy these chancers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
makepeace Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 (edited) I think you're either being a tad naive or adopting a head in the sand approach to this. Been a while since I've been to either Old Firm grounds but have seen BNP handing put stuff at Ibrox and Irish Republican groups selling pamphlets outside Celtic Park. Funnily enough I've never seen either of these being sold outside Hampden at Scotland games where they frequently get 50k+ crowds. I think the words that might help in this instance are 'target' and 'market' that said, if rangers fans constitute say 1/3 of the population you are likely to get a cross section of a variety of political opinions going on. i dare say there are many people who would call themselves socialists that are rangers supporters like any club. indeed, some few hundred pages ago, there was a rangers fan getting all romantic about some scottish woman that fought against franco in the spanish civil war. but i think the crucial thing to analyse when making a broad judgement about where a supports sentiments lies is in the type of political organising that centres around a football support. and within rangers the only organised politically leaning stuff seems to be around unionism, loyalism, and a little bit of british nationalism. in a simliar way to how i think diddy clubs will be culpable if they let a newco back in, one could accuse the rangers support in general of being complicit in allowing that kind of organisation to evolve. at the very least its a case of evil arising when good men do nothing, or at the most, tacit acceptance of religious bigotry and far right ideology. In the 80s, when facsists tried to target football fans, there were a number of clubs that became associated with an acceptance of that kinda thing. this also promoted football fan organisations opposed to fascism that tried to confront the spread of such a discourse within their ranks. what is interesting is that teams such as millwall, and chelsea even had their own anti fascist organisations, although i dont think they were that successfull! nevertheless, i have never heard of any organised anti fascist or anti loyalist, or anti sectarian even activity by the rangers support organised at a grassroots level. Indeed the very names of their 'ultras' organisations eg union bears, and blue order at least supports the tacit acceptance thesis advanced earlier in this post... Edited May 13, 2012 by makepeace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chico Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 That really depends how little you are owed, for example if you were owed £100 as a business you'd probably say if these c**ts are gonnae steal £90 from me then i'd rather reject the CVA and try and shaft them than accept a pishy tenner. To agree a CVA with the idea that some is better than nothing my minimum threshold would be £10,000. If i was owed say £1000 from Rangers, accepting £100 would feel worse than trying to destroy these chancers. Depends on the company owed the money, as you say the larger the amount, them the more likely it's written off and the sum recovered basically covers the cost of chasing invoices over the period that the money is owed. Small debts to lone traders, different script as they'll see it personally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Leggo, is that you? ha ha can ya just leggo of that bone 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellbhoy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 680 pages to go till next milestone people ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 680 pages to go till next milestone people ! This thread will explode throufh pages and milestones when the news finally breaks. I'm just praying I'm not at work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulathame Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 talk of a boycott of rangers next season if a newco gets in to the SPL got me thinking why dont we keep a league table with none of there results in it. So when any fans talk to the media this would be the table any person with sporting integrity would use. i can just here ssb going mental when fans phone in and ask what do you think of Motherwell / St Johnston ect being in second place, just treat rangers as an irrelevance ok just thinking it through a bit more with Green cutting the budget and ibrox full of under 18's it might be a case of asking what the SSB panel think of which ever team that is in 9th place getting relegated instead of rangers in 10th place. errrr just saw a very big flaw there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jussy Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 talk of a boycott of rangers next season if a newco gets in to the SPL got me thinking why dont we keep a league table with none of there results in it. So when any fans talk to the media this would be the table any person with sporting integrity would use. i can just here ssb going mental when fans phone in and ask what do you think of Motherwell / St Johnston ect being in second place, just treat rangers as an irrelevance ok just thinking it through a bit more with Green cutting the budget and ibrox full of under 18's it might be a case of asking what the SSB panel think of which ever team that is in 9th place getting relegated instead of rangers in 10th place. errrr just saw a very big flaw there. The first bit made me laugh The second made me worry that you're privy to some sort of league reconstruction plan for next season... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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