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they highest they can go (as far as i work out from debt to what green says he has in the pot) is 16/100p

therefore i suggest they will offer 8/100p

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Does anyone know the situation with the legal action that D&P are taking against Collier Bristow? It seems to be part of the CVA offer, yet there doesn't seem to be a clear date for a ruling.

Also, and forgive me for my ignorance, but isn't this Craig Whyte's administrators suing Craig Whyte's lawyers for the actions of Craig Whyte?

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How about Football Against Non-Named Investment + Equity Schemes?

ClubsOverCuntsKillingWritenOffMassiveBackhanders'Legitimately'End-of ?

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I don't know if it has been posted before but Doncaster's wiki page now has this gem:

On 7 July 2009, Doncaster was appointed Chief Executive of the Scottish Premier League.[5]

In this new role he has taken on many tasks, including managing important meetings and taking it up the arse of his partners, Mr Celtic and Mr rangers (in administration)

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Does anyone know the situation with the legal action that D&P are taking against Collier Bristow? It seems to be part of the CVA offer, yet there doesn't seem to be a clear date for a ruling.

Also, and forgive me for my ignorance, but isn't this Craig Whyte's administrators suing Craig Whyte's lawyers for the actions of Craig Whyte?

ric, how simple are you? :huh::blink::huh:

Read this..

http://m.accountancyage.com/aa/news/2179483/battle-erupts-bbc-rangers-administrators

Then explain it to the rest of us.:P

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Wednesday: Documentary airs in which Prince Albert of Monaco claims he doesn't have a clue who Craig Whyte is.

Thursday: Bomb disposal experts called in to blow up a suspect package in the F1 paddock in Monaco.

Hmmmm.

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http://leggoland2.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/david-low-and-green-gang-exclusive.html

An absolute belter from Leggo today. Apparently a "rabid Celtic supporter" :lol: is involved with Charles Green's bid to buy Rangers and to further piss off our bold correspondent, he is good pals with Graham "Odious Creep" Spiers. You couldn't make it up - but he has.

The real gem, however, is that Leggo has now written a book - about someone with an Irish name plotting to kill Churchill :unsure:http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Kennedy-Kill-ebook/dp/B0084UZ5BM/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1337928896&sr=8-1

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A basic search on Cockwomble using Google.co.uk now brings up Neil Doncaster on Pie & Bovril 6 pages in.

It seems to me that we're having some success in linking the cockwomble, Neil Doncaster to the site cockwomble.org that clearly and undeniably links Neil Doncaster to a site that embodies his whole cockwomblish persona.

It's my understanding that Google spiders take some time to crawl these links, so we just need to keep up the effort.

In that spirit (and with apologies for anyone looking for actual, meaningful content)...

Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble. Neil Doncaster is a Cockwomble and he's made a right fuckbungle of this whole affair.

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I don't know if it has been posted before but Doncaster's wiki page now has this gem:

On 7 July 2009, Doncaster was appointed Chief Executive of the Scottish Premier League.[5]

In this new role he has taken on many tasks, including managing important meetings and taking it up the arse of his partners, Mr Celtic and Mr rangers (in administration)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Doncaster

^^ have just rated this page as having trustworthy information

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Sorry but this is a long post.

Born of frustrations with how Scottish football is run from long before Rangers went into administration, but made worse, much worse, from 14th February onwards. This frustration is due to the punters (of which I am one) being treated with contempt and taken for granted by those who manage the messages we get, on the back of succulent lamb or otherwise.

On P&B we say what we want, but we have no teeth as a group.

The BBC programme last night was significant in the continuing Rangers saga. Hard evidence produced (which would have been doubly approved by BBC lawyers) with more to come. I know some on here were disappointed, but this programme was after all for the average viewer who has little knowledge of the saga to date, unlike most P&B members. But none the less it was totally damning.

P&B members on this forum I see as a diverse group of football supporters, some supporting particular clubs, many not. I think the P&B discussions have managed to push and support certain topics which many in the football world would like to have seen go way. But it is too late now for them to try to brush it under the carpet. At P&B we have been dependent on therangerstaxcase.com and Paul McConville's blogs for detailed and insightful analysis, and Alex Thompson despite his struggles at times is a substantial voice for all of us, as he can take the right questions to those in positions of power and authority.

The question is what do we do about it? What do we want to do?

We can talk amongst ourselves, be outraged, get exciting about progress, become frustrated, feel cheated and irritated at being treated as inconsequential idiots by authorities and media pundits alike (even those who don't have an EBT account in their back pocket). But what can we do?

My thoughts, and these are my thoughts only are:

1. Create our own voice

We need an organised voice. We can achieve this by having a small group of members (a committee by any other name) here who are prepared to collate views, agree them with members and then work to create the change we want. Then deliver this message through carefully chosen spokesmen (see item 2) and other methods. This is not about grinding personal axes but giving a voice to a substantial and important group who are not currently getting a hearing.

2. Communicate what we want

It is then essential to take those wishes to the key decision makers or players in the Rangers story.

The best people for this would be a couple of our elected representatives. I would suggest one MSP and one MP. One based in Edinburgh one in London. I have my thoughts on who would be interested and would fit the bill. The method would be to decide exactly what we would want them to do, topic by topic. Often a letter from an MP can make things happen that would take us months. I am sure we could also line up a PR company to ensure press coverage of our aims and the changes we want to see. (free of charge).<br style="mso-special-character: line-break">

At the minute we are driven by people like Doncaster, Paul Murray, the administrators as they each have the voice and the contacts in the media, which they use to influence public opinion, sometimes with the truth, sometimes with half truths, other times quite misleading. We need the same access to allow us to communicate with authorities, supporters and the public.

3. What changes do we want?

This is the best time to let our wishes be known. Significant change will be happening regardless over the next month or so in particular. Duff & Duffer being challenged through the media or the courts, creditors being asked to make decisions, SFA having to address the growing list of things to deal with about Rangers, the SPL chairmen voting about in or out, UEFA will have an interest, and the wider supporter population wanting something better for Scottish football. We can wait to see what others decide, or we publicly get what we want on the table first.

The 'projects' I (repeat I) would like to see as the initial targets are:

1. Campbell Ogilvie is a part of the EBT mess from his time at Rangers, which I believe creates a conflict of interest in his current position as President of the SFA. He can be in his office while next door a group are discussing what to do about double contracts, Rangers paying HMRC, how EBTs were used. People in such meetings must think 'will I pop in next door and ask Campbell?'

He should go on gardening leave while the SFA obtains the evidence they need and creates the vehicles within the SFA to make the proper decisions. Putting him on full pay is no problem, but he must not be operating in his office at this critical stage.

He should also pay the tax on his EBT as if it had been treated as salary.

2. SPL chairmen

We must tell them what decision we want which will penalise Rangers for their behaviour to date and will warn other clubs of the consequences of trying anything similar in the future.

And no kicking into the long grass requests for information from Duff & Duffer which just allows the SPL to stall any decision.

3. The SFA need to be supported and encouraged to make hard decisions. They have done this extremely well to date (to my surprise) but this must continue.

4. HMRC must be encouraged to take a lead in dealing with the current administrators and ensure that the Rangers administration or liquidation is used to maximize return to the honest taxpayers, but also to obtain the detailed evidence required to subsequently deal properly with any wrongdoing.

5. The Police. Encourage them to move in to take a positive role in creating a better form of governance of football clubs in Scotland with the powers they have from company law by flushing out and penalising those who have abused their positions of trust.

There are potentially many more, these are mine, but ideally we can agree projects and hoped for outcomes democratically.

We don't have many chances like this to make a positive difference. To create a better and more honest future led from the grassroots. With easy access to e mail, using web sites, blogs, online petitions and group marketing all the tools are available to us at no cost.

We have the option of being on the side-lines while others decide what is best for us, what we are allowed to do and say or how to behave. We can approve or otherwise but organisations can force their wishes on individuals. Or we can take this opportunity to take the initiative as a group, create our own voice and make sure we help make something better than we would otherwise.

Would appreciate all thoughts and comments on whether this could be a way ahead - or not.

I'm in. As per one of my previous posts, we need a united voice to counteract the "SPL will die without RFC" propaganda being spouted by RSA and amplified by their lackeys in the MSM.

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Has anyone asked the CockWomble, Neil Doncaster, whether Norwich City had any involvement in EBTs during his tenure?

It's notable that as soon as he left Norwich after leading them down to League One they started a period of revival, promoted from League One to the EPL in a short period of time. Wonder if there's a correlation?

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Ok, first draft and I don't know how to pin this stuff yet being new and all that but......feel free to rip it to shredstongue.gif I hope it conveys most of the feelings except the obvious 'I hope they die' one which generally would mean the main context of the letter would be largely ignored (which it might be anyway) but if its about sheer weight of numbers sending the same general feeling to sponsors, here goes.....

To whom it may concern,

RE: Sponsorship of Scottish Football Association Competitions 2012/13

You have doubtless been unable to escape the ignominy of the recent crisis in Scottish football, single handedly attributable to one member club. We are, of course, referring to Rangers Football Club and the fraudulent business activities and sporting and moral bankruptcy shown over the past decade that has so publicly come to light in recent times.

Rangers Football Club may yet re-emerge from their current situation, having shed millions of pounds in debt and liabilities with scant regard for the law of the land, many small businesses and the British taxpayer - with not one word of contrition for their actions. No apologies have yet been offered, only a call to arms and veiled threats, remarkably from their own club ambassador Mr. Jardine.

The unwavering belief from inside Ibrox is that they, as a club, have done no wrong. This reprehensible attitude towards the wider issues; financial, sporting and moral, has led to our correspondence to you as a potential sponsor of Scottish Football.

This letter represents the true feelings of hundreds of thousands of fans whose collective voices have not accurately been portrayed through the assembled media in Scotland. It has been forwarded to the governing bodies the Scottish Football Association, Scottish Premier League and the Scottish Football League and circulated to all clubs, supporters groups and football forums, with one notable exception.

Collectively, fans have agreed upon this peaceful plea to potential sponsors. There will be no marches upon your stores, no boycotts of your products or threats to your staff and no demands for special treatment. We only wish to impress upon you the following view.

Sponsorship of a system that allows one institution to so blatantly flaunt their corporate duties and go unpunished, to the detriment of others, would surely be damaging to your own corporate brand image in the longer term. By disregarding the toxicity and stigma attached to Rangers as they stand, and offering sponsorship under those terms, you would send a clear message to millions of Scottish consumers and the watching world that your brand is happy to associate itself with the actions of Rangers Football Club, should they be allowed to retain their position in Scottish Football.

We understand that you have no say in this matter and that this is decision for the relevant authorities to deal with however, we would ask you to consider your position before making your final decision.

The only way you can have a clear conscience in any sponsorship agreement will be if Rangers are fairly punished for their actions whilst attempting to remunerate the creditors fairly and in good time. An overwhelmingly majority of fans polled (96%) oppose immediate re-entry to the top flight and expect Rangers to admit to their failings, starting again from the bottom with humility to rebuild their business and their brand, if indeed that is possible.

We can only hope when considering your potential sponsorship of Scottish Football Competitions for season 2012/13 that you share our views.

Yours sincerely

A Scottish football fan and consumer, (Name)

Nice one, Chris. I've copied and pasted. All we need now is a list of RFC sponsors. If someone can supply, I'll prepare a group e:mail list and circulate around my mates and get them to do likewise, ad nauseam, until this has hit everyone interested in rescuing the integrity of Scottish Footbal.

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For a United Diddy Front to work we need a spokeperson.

Other than Stuart Cosgrove, maybe Christopher Brookmyre would be interested?

No idea if he would want to take on that mantle (need to remember the threats from Rangers fans, etc) but he'd be ideal for the job. Very articulate, very intelligent, hates the Old Firm.......

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My link. As I understand it, Google likes to have links to the likes of cockwomble or Neil doncaster to come from a variety of sites. With this in mind, I have added a few "ghost" pages to some of my sites with the phrases cockwomble, Donkeymaster,and Neil Doncaster liberally sprinkled throughout. These sites also have pictures of the cockwomble Neil Doncasterwith appropriate file names attached. Appropriate, you say? Well most of them have the filename cockwomble.jpg.

Every little helps.....

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For a United Diddy Front to work we need a spokeperson.

Other than Stuart Cosgrove, maybe Christopher Brookmyre would be interested?

No idea if he would want to take on that mantle (need to remember the threats from Rangers fans, etc) but he'd be ideal for the job. Very articulate, very intelligent, hates the Old Firm.......

Is he the guy that used to run fanzine The Absolute Game?

If so, excellent shout. Some of his pieces were absolutely brilliant.

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