WeeHectorPar Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 But if you added the two of them together...... Are you suggesting that 1+1 = 8? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 They may have deducted it, doesnt mean they passed it on to the tax man Now that would be interesting Tick tock 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Must admit I'm baffled as to what the disclosure would be, partly due to not being a financial whizz kid...even with kid being used to it's extremes...very extremes. What involves 18 years ago, a leading BOS official, Dunfermline, the I of M, not match fixing, is vastly worse than screwing the Treasury for vast sums, will lead to jail sentences and finally kill off Rangers(yay)? What's the worst you can do in finance other than bring down a bank? I had a go at this a few pages ago... 18 years ago , Bank Of Scotland threatened Celtic with receivership when they called in , I think , an £8 million overdraft. Is it possible that looking at Moonbeams relationship with BoS , he put the pressure on them ? Timescale is correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 One of the first things Fergus McCann did at Parkhead was to tell t&e BoS to do one. Can't really blame him, imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.F.C. Anderson Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Lol, this forum was mentioned on Off the ball yesterday. http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b01j6stq/Off_the_Ball_26_05_2012/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Would the implication be, for example, during contract negotiations with a player at another club, that Rangers, with knowledge of the players' existing contract, could offer those terms with an EBT on top, thereby securing a player for only nominally more than they were previously being paid? Seems too sensible, given what has already come out; OF contracts regularly exceed those paid by other clubs by some considerable amount. I don't think therefore that the EBTs were used strategically like this - I've probably missed something though. I think you're right in your second para. I mean a member of the media being paid via EBT in relation to unsettling a target signing. Aha, right. If they had a member of the media on an EBT I suppose it would only really discredit the journalist rather than prove any unsettling. My father always used to go on about Rangers unsettling tactics so it's obviously going on long before Murray. Is unsettling even illegal? Immoral yes. Rangers/media person could always claim payment was made to them for general 'consultancy' or 'advisory' reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I had a go at this a few pages ago... 18 years ago , Bank Of Scotland threatened Celtic with receivership when they called in , I think , an £8 million overdraft. Is it possible that looking at Moonbeams relationship with BoS , he put the pressure on them ? Timescale is correct. Whilst all of this if a bit salacious and exciting, how would you set about proving it even if true? Does anybody think people would leave incriminating paperwork lying about at Ibrox? Does anybody believe that they're gonna come acrosss the Scottish version of the Nixon tapes? It all seems a bit Noddy to me! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarreZ Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 from the BBC gossip page: Former Rangers striker Billy Dodds claims the club deducted tax from his Employee Benefit Trust payment before it was paid to him, and refuses to believe that major Ibrox players evaded paying millions in tax. (The Sunday Herald) Seriously expecting us to buy this??? wish the BBC would just punt his lying cheating ass. Thats actually more damaging if what he said was true than just the plain on EBT way, that means they were deducting tax from employees but not passing it onto HMRC, which is an even bigger can of worms than before. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint dave Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Whilst all of this if a bit salacious and exciting, how would you set about proving it even if true? Does anybody think people would leave incriminating paperwork lying about at Ibrox? Does anybody believe that they're gonna come acrosss the Scottish version of the Nixon tapes? It all seems a bit Noddy to me! Just the fact that people keep referencing 18yrs ago and the BoS...fingers crossed, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 (edited) Just the fact that people keep referencing 18yrs ago and the BoS...fingers crossed, though. Don't get me wrong, I wasn't having a go! I just fear that when the whispers turn to tales of intrigue and espionage that is never gonna stand-up in court, then it dilutes the case, emphasis and credibility of those aspects which could legitimately be taken to task. Some will start to believe that all the allegations are equally airy-fairy. End result could be that those with something to account for do get off. Edited May 27, 2012 by Claymores 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7-2 Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I had a go at this a few pages ago... 18 years ago , Bank Of Scotland threatened Celtic with receivership when they called in , I think , an £8 million overdraft. Is it possible that looking at Moonbeams relationship with BoS , he put the pressure on them ? Timescale is correct. Good shout. It certainly fits. But again, bad as it is, is it nuclear enough? Not sure. Difficult to prove as well I would have thought. Of course if a senior BOS official is found to be complicit in colluding with Murray in something as major as it's meant to be, surely the bank is going to get hung, drawn and quartered too. After all, as with Murray and Whyte with Rangers, a company is liable for the actions of its office bearers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roverthemoon Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Page 1290. Only 400 pages to go and they'll be gone.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTaxMan Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 I had a go at this a few pages ago... 18 years ago , Bank Of Scotland threatened Celtic with receivership when they called in , I think , an £8 million overdraft. Is it possible that looking at Moonbeams relationship with BoS , he put the pressure on them ? Timescale is correct. Think it was actually only £5 million, funny if Minty was behind that really - it led to the arrival of the Bunnet, fine stadium etc etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReasonableGeezer Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Electronic **** @ETimsNetIn the background during this is UEFA who have done their own inv into RFC FFP & dual contracts after complaints from Rapid, Porto & others. Collapse Reply Retweet Favorite Dont know if this has substance, but if it has The sons of Mordor are surely finished forever? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araminta Moonbeam QC Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Phil McMadeupname suggesting the Polis are about to take a much bigger role in our favourite soap opera. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broken Algorithms Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Haudit and Daudit playing down media claims Rangers have reached a deal with HMRC... Well there's a surprise! Wasn't that Traynor spouting that line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 canny be bothered reading the 20 pages since last logged in. Big question is are they dead yet? If not, why no? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beermonkey Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 canny be bothered reading the 20 pages since last logged in. Big question is are they dead yet? If not, why no? Patience my friend, patience ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Traynor and Dung should be sacked by all media outlets and the BBC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny van Axeldongen Posted May 27, 2012 Share Posted May 27, 2012 Traynor and Dung Someone should ask Jabba and Salacious B. Crumb if they've ever received payments from Rangers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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