lithgierose Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 SSN just confirmed Rangers won't be in the fixture list tomorrow Going to have "TBC" instead should just read rfc, GTF 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Shame on all of us not one word of sympathy for the loss of Rangers. Get yourselves into the Card Factory or Clintons(they need the dough) and buy a sympathy card or all club together for a nice wreath. Obviously the other side of the OF will want to send a mass card or hold a candlelit vigil somewhere. To Rangers supporters everywhere Sorry for your loss. I can't - my local one is shut. They went into admin and reacted by closing stores and laying off staff. Which it would appear is an unusual approach! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngsy Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Seriously, I would imagine his reputation would be high on the list of changes. The taxman said it was wrong and have hit Rangers with a massive bill, they have appealed this. Walter Smith was the manager in that very club for many years when this was going on. I am sure his reputation should be above reproach if he continues in any form within Scottish Football. The same goes for Ally. Ask any persons wrongly accused of a crime and then ask them if it matters that they were found not guilty and their reputation restored. They have not been accused of it yet but mud sticks. Walter Smith left Rangers in 1998,three years before the EBT scheme was introduced by Murray so unless your speaking of his second term as manager,which clearly you're not,you're very much mistaken. He returned in January 2007 until he left at the end of season 2010/11 so it's very unlikely that he was involved in the EBT scheme,he may have received a payment from it but there is absolutely nothing shown so far that he did. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Over on RTC Blog Comments, there appears to be a groundswell opinion forming to have Jim Spence installed as CE of the SFA. He'd get my vote. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paramour Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 1339933515[/url]' post='6344942']should just read rfc, GTF I'd prefer BTC for obvious reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Walter Smith left Rangers in 1998,three years before the EBT scheme was introduced by Murray so unless your speaking of his second term as manager,which clearly you're not,you're very much mistaken. He returned in January 2007 until he left at the end of season 2010/11 so it's very unlikely that he was involved in the EBT scheme,he may have received a payment from it but there is absolutely nothing shown so far that he did. I will accept some of that but highlight the point above and mention that previous managers were paid EBTs after leaving Rangers, so not that mistaken. I am strongly of the opinion that the BBC held this and the stuff on Ally back from the program. I also can't prove that but nothing would suprise me. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 (edited) Walter Smith left Rangers in 1998,three years before the EBT scheme was introduced by Murray so unless your speaking of his second term as manager,which clearly you're not,you're very much mistaken. He returned in January 2007 until he left at the end of season 2010/11 so it's very unlikely that he was involved in the EBT scheme,he may have received a payment from it but there is absolutely nothing shown so far that he did. "Unlike those to whom EBTs were not offered or not available, it appears that Smith was presented during his time as Everton manager with an opportunity that looks similar to that taken by Graeme Souness while manager at Blackburn Rovers. In September 2002, Smith applied to the Murray Group Management Remuneration Trust trustees for a loan for £80,000. Despite the loan request being approved in the same month, the payment does not appear to have ever been completed. Quite what he had done to merit this payment- four years after leaving the Rangers’ employment- is difficult to tell from the paper trail. However, it looks like Walter Smith thought better of receiving money from his old club through the EBT scheme." Edit :- The above is from elsewhere. They are not my words. Edited June 17, 2012 by Florentine_Pogen 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Fucksake, it is illegal to use EBTs as part of a contractual wage. Learn it, hug it close, don't forget it. I'm still hoping it's even worse than that in the case of Souness and Smith, Secret payments made many years after they left the club to facilitate player transfers between Rangers and Everton/Blackburn/Newcastle etc. Effectively bribery and money laundering, as well as tax evasion. Probably nonsense, but if Leggo can do it.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somner`s love child Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 So the SFA are now becoming anxious about the prospect of the SPL chairmen growing sets and hunting the newco after all. Thus leaving them (SFA) with a tricky decision. Hence the 11th hour attempt to take the SPL out of the equation. This new structure would pave the way for Sevco2012 to enter the 2nd tier, with it being billed as a radical restructuring of the game for the benefit of all. Oh dear.... Don`t care. End game for me was always relegate Newco and use the situation to force reconstruction. If it takes an accomodation which relegates them only one division to achieve the latter I`ll take it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Walter Smith left Rangers in 1998,three years before the EBT scheme was introduced by Murray so unless your speaking of his second term as manager,which clearly you're not,you're very much mistaken. He returned in January 2007 until he left at the end of season 2010/11 so it's very unlikely that he was involved in the EBT scheme,he may have received a payment from it but there is absolutely nothing shown so far that he did. When did Graeme Souness leave? The BBC clearly stated that the list they had was the people they had proof for. There may or may not have been others - no-one has specifically put this to Walter Smith. All we want is transparency (A.McCoist, 2012) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p&b is a disgrace Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I dont understand why there needs to be any issue here at all. Oldco - is dead and cannot be part of any fixture list Newco - does not have membership and cannot be part of any fixture list. The only decision to bemade is whether Dunfermline stay up or Dundee go up. That can be quickly resolved. Furthermore, any suggestions that Newco should be penalised in any way for the sins of Oldco is complete nonsense. The only questions to be answered are 1. What happens to Oldco's SPL share, and 2. How to deal with Newcos application to join our set up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The Bun Currants? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Club 12 is what SPL using in the fixture list sounds like a youth club http://www.club12.org/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The next signing for the cheats that are rankers 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I dont understand why there needs to be any issue here at all. Oldco - is dead and cannot be part of any fixture list Newco - does not have membership and cannot be part of any fixture list. The only decision to bemade is whether Dunfermline stay up or Dundee go up. That can be quickly resolved. Furthermore, any suggestions that Newco should be penalised in any way for the sins of Oldco is complete nonsense. The only questions to be answered are 1. What happens to Oldco's SPL share, and 2. How to deal with Newcos application to join our set up? If Dundee or Dunfermline are in the SPL, they would take the RFC (1872-2012) share, I believe. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rustyarabnuts Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 http://www.club12.org/ well thats appropriate deserving of a greenie ,if i had one 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huckleberry Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 The Mail on Sunday says the taxman ARE going after those who had EBTs rather than the dead club. Getting a tax demand for say £50k + would put the frighteners on anyone. If as Billy Dodds says that he was told all tax was paid on his EBT before he got it, where did the tax money go? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrugalNory Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 I dont understand why there needs to be any issue here at all. Oldco - is dead and cannot be part of any fixture list Newco - does not have membership and cannot be part of any fixture list. The only decision to bemade is whether Dunfermline stay up or Dundee go up. That can be quickly resolved. Furthermore, any suggestions that Newco should be penalised in any way for the sins of Oldco is complete nonsense. The only questions to be answered are 1. What happens to Oldco's SPL share, and 2. How to deal with Newcos application to join our set up? Nail and head. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Fucksake, it is illegal to use EBTs as part of a contractual wage. Learn it, hug it close, don't forget it. Can you not read my posts? Yes. And so Rangers need to be hit with sporting sanctions for this. Ive said this twice today. However, so what if Walter Smith received EBT money? What does that change. It just makes him one of 80+. It really, really isnt a big deal. Even if he did, then like Dodds, he can simply point out that he himself didnt do anything wrong in receiving it. Its the people who ran the scheme that need to pay, and HMRC is dealing with that. If Smith comes out and said he never received any, then those that think he did wont believe him, and his fans didnt care anyway. If he comes out and said he did, then his fans didnt care anyway, and those that think he did won't change their views. Its a complete non issue imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montague Withnail Posted June 17, 2012 Share Posted June 17, 2012 Walter Smith left Rangers in 1998,three years before the EBT scheme was introduced by Murray so unless your speaking of his second term as manager,which clearly you're not,you're very much mistaken. He returned in January 2007 until he left at the end of season 2010/11 so it's very unlikely that he was involved in the EBT scheme,he may have received a payment from it but there is absolutely nothing shown so far that he did. Then it is very important that he comes out and says just that - so the fans and everyone else can see he's 'clean'. Okay Wattie, out with it, tell the truth, there's a good chap. Hello? Walter? Are you there? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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