CityDave Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Incredible that the SPL can get away with threatening non payment of an obligation. Wow, just wow. Seriously, how low can we go? Toys out of the pram stuff from Regan and Doncaster. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broccoli Dog Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why are Airdrie abstaining? Something to do with Ballantyne? Can't get to the meeting, don't have the busfare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 You probably need to start a new list Kyle Most of these were done before the meeting on Tues, I imagine there will be at least a few clubs changing their minds. How many SFL clubs have said no since the meeting on Tues?? People said the same thing before the SPL vote. Right up to the night before the vote Doncaster was spreading rumours that they might still get in with sanctions or that at least the SPL vote would be deferred. The SFL chairmen will not be easily cowed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Christ, what a pessimistic lot One club has come out and said yes. ONE. They need more than 50% to do so.T he rest haven't issued any kind of statement saying their positions have changed. Regarding SPL 2 - there just isn't time now for that to get up and going for the new season. If the fans stay united, they will be in division 3. It's what we want, it's what Rangers fans want. It's the only outcome, really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrugalNory Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Why are Airdrie abstaining? Something to do with Ballantyne? In order to maintain Jim Traynors objective and nuetral point of view. Its for the good of the people really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Just skimmed the Stenny statement I can't believe this. Punishment relegation from the SPL They aren't IN the SPL, it's a newco. a one year transfer embargo, I thought that was illegal? related EUFA 3 year ban from Europe not a ban, just a non-compliance This stinks. Plus all the other shite about projected loss of revenue :angry: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Exactly what mechanism exists for the SFA to take it out of the SFL's hands. This is people listening to Regan as opposed to telling him to f**k off. Regan is an administrator, a fucking pen pusher and nothing more. People need to stop taking him seriously. And people like you need to stop repeating these myths. This comes from Scott Struthers' Twitter, Accies secretary and on SFA committees. He texted me much the same thing on saturday and I posted on here that the SFA could make this decision and render any vote meaningless. I'm not saying it will happen but Scott is certainly someone in the know and now it's on his Twitter there is no need to be discreet. Actually, I take back the "almost certainly" part from earlier post, that's not what he said. I'm just pessimistic. Edited July 5, 2012 by Owsley 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somner`s love child Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 They will still be comfortably the 2nd best supported team in the country. No doubt, but how much is a SFL3 ST compared to a SPL ST? At best, probably half and their other costs, apart from possibly stewarding, remain much as those they pay now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I think that might be incorrect ...as far as I can tell the Nos are simply against newco in sfl...acorrding to regan a no vote means spl two including newco will be imposed...and I'm not sure anyone has said they wont join that yet ...maybe pessimistic here but its tough for any sfl chairman to reject invite to spl two when there may not be a promotion mechanism to it from remaining sfl structure This is pish. There's not going to be an SPL 2. Why the f**k are so many people on this thread buying into this scaremongering pish. Do you still look under your bed at night because somebody told you there is a bogey man? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Excellent statement from Stenny to be fair. They've set out their position and explained their thinking. What are we looking at now then? No Raith Rovers Dunfermline Partick Thistle Morton Cowdenbeath Hamilton Livingston Falkirk Clyde Stranraer Annan Alloa Stirling Yes Stenny Abstaining Dundee Airdrie If my sums are right, do Rangers not need every single undeclared team to say yes to be in division 1? As it stands, SPL 2 will contain Sevco and Stenny, if that were to be the case. Stenny statement clearly says that at the meeting it was clear that teams who had said no to newco in div 1 would accept invite to spl2 Very revealing statement which clears up a lot of myths peddled about this situation. Seems clear there is zero chance of Rangers in div 3 no matter what most people want. I'd rather teams voted yes to rangers in div1 than spl2 forced through myself. I suppose it makes sense for the sfa to step in if they believe all other options will damage Scottish football. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Surely if RFC fans want to keep their unsurpassed dignity they will refue to go into D1 anyway ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thelegendthatis Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Pretty bold of them to come out with this first. Stupid, but bold. Interesting part of the Stenny statement. "The financial effect on most SPL clubs would be a reduced income of around £1m/season. More importantly for us, the settlement agreement payment (the annual payment from the SPL to the SFL agreed when the SPL was established) of approximately £2m would not be paid. The reason this would not be paid would be due to the reduced SPL income, the money to meet this obligation would no longer be there." If this agreement has been made and is watertight then the SFL is in a very strong position to DEMAND the £2million. Depends on how the agreement was setup, as a fixed amount or a percentage of something else, but if a fixed amount then go for it. The SPL as a company would be liable. So the SFL could pursue them, freeze their assets, send in the sheriff officers unless they did what the SFL thought was acceptable. This could be to wind up the SPL and allow the member clubs to move to a new SFL Premier league, run and administered by the SFL. This will remove one self serving body from the complexities of Scottish football. And save a lot of money being taken out of the game by the likes of Doncaster. It will also deflate the pomposity we get from Doncaster as he connives and schemes to bolster his own pay packet. Edited July 5, 2012 by thelegendthatis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 This comes from Scott Struthers' Twitter, Accies secretary and on SFA committees. He texted me much the same thing on saturday and I posted on here that the SFA could make this decision and render any vote meaningless. I'm not saying it will happen but Scott is certainly someone in the know and now it's on his Twitter there is no need to be discreet. Then did you pose the question that I posed to you. What mechanism is there for the SFA to impose a decision on the SFL? For Christ sake Regan is not the SFA, the SFA is a body and anything Regan does would need to be sanctioned. The SFA board is accountable to the whole of Scottish football. The only danger here is that people actually believe this havering arse when he goes around making these outrageous threats. I'll say it again REGAN IS NOT THE SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drooper Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Stenhousemuir say YES to Newco in Division 1. Fucking boo! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Owsley Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Then did you pose the question that I posed to you. What mechanism is there for the SFA to impose a decision on the SFL? For Christ sake Regan is not the SFA, the SFA is a body and anything Regan does would need to be sanctioned. The SFA board is accountable to the whole of Scottish football. The only danger here is that people actually believe this havering arse when he goes around making these outrageous threats. I'll say it again REGAN IS NOT THE SFA. Where did I mention Regan? Whose to say the SFA as a body won't do this? Here's the quote, to be fair he also states the SFL could do this. I reckon end result will be sfa or sfl 'placing' them wherever under 'emergency powers' or 'board decision' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDR Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Yorkston's comments cheered me up a bit. I should stop swallowing the shite spoon fed to us by the football authorities, Sevco sympathists and English based radio stations and the Scottish main stream meedja. Stand string fellow diddies, it could be a glorious 12th of July. I might even buy a lambeg and bang it outside Greens Playhouse That's Apolloing, simply Apolloing! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Just sent to Longmuir...... "Mr Longmuir, Your latest statement is a most worrying tirade against the feelings of the MAJORITY of people who consider themselves football fans. Are we to read into this veiled threat that "...outside influences..." are not what you, as a Chief Executive of the Country's National Football Association, worthy or appropriately considered ? If you think you and the other noble gentlemen of the governing body have all the answers and that fans across the country are to simply swallow your dictats then you are a sadly mistaken man indeed. The game in our country is rotten to the core. Money chasing has led too many clubs to reach beyond their means and now is THE time to take proper measures to re-establish the game in our country by levelling the imbalances favoured by the few and suffered by the many. Occasionally opportunities to take steps back result in greater strides forward.... Now IS SUCH A TIME.... putting whatever club that emerges from the RFC fiasco into the THIRD Division is the RIGHT move, for the RIGHT reasons, at the RIGHT time. Your statement, sir, is in itself an "outside influence" in that you seek to influence chairmen to ignore their own fans opinions in some 'greater plan or knowledge' that only you and people like you could possibly understand..... maybe Chairmen should ignore your influence... I sincerely hope they do. (My Name)LIFELONG football fan, proud Scot." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glensburgh Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 "In this situation and having considered the consequences for the club primarily, but also that of the many other clubs who would suffer significantly, we will support Rangers Newco joining the SFL on the strict proviso that the various elements of restructuring and merging of the league are agreed to our satisfaction.“For the reasons stated above, we would anticipate that the Rangers Newco would be entering at Div 1.” I know the above may be (read by me) out of context, but where do they say yes to SFL DIV1? Do they really believe "the various elements of restructuring and merging of the league are agreed to our satisfaction" will be to their satisfaction, or will the SFL/SFA just make empty promises? And surely anticipation is different from acceptance? Or am I just thick? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claymores Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Excellent statement from Stenny to be fair. They've set out their position and explained their thinking. What are we looking at now then? No Raith Rovers Dunfermline Partick Thistle Morton Cowdenbeath Hamilton Livingston Falkirk Clyde Stranraer Annan Alloa Stirling Yes Stenny Abstaining Dundee Airdrie If my sums are right, do Rangers not need every single undeclared team to say yes to be in division 1? As it stands, SPL 2 will contain Sevco and Stenny, if that were to be the case. I wish you'd stop leaving East Fife off the list of 'Nos'. Especially since East Fife have gone further than most of the qualified nos. Unlike others who imply that they'd support automatic passage to Sevco to the 3rd, EFFC have stated that "Any Newco must follow the normal application route into the bottom tier." In other words, they see no place for Sevco as a given until and unless their application proves to be superior to anone else's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Stenny can f**k off. Their statement reads like a Leggo blog. The SPL2 thing can't happen for this season. The teams need to give 2 years notice to leave the SFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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