Nkomo-A-Gogo Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 This £15.7m .... does that take into account the £2m that the SPL have decided they won't bother paying the SFL clubs ? Do they have a get-out clause which allows them to renege on paying this? "We're skint" isnt good enough, pay up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewing up a storm Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Stenny can f**k off. My son is a Stenny fan so the fact there are no forseeable trips to Ochilview if they vote yes is a complete pisser. The fact their chairman has the ability, which is sadly lacking in Scottish football, to string together more than two relatively articulate and correctly punctuated sentences (or perhaps their secretary is just very competent) should not detract from the craven nature of their statement. Firstly, their statement takes no account of the financial impact of any supporter boycott, probably relatively minimal though unfortunately, or the additional financial advantage they could have from Rangers visiting twice in 2013/14 both in increased crowds and sponsorship opportunities. Admittedly, it would be relatively shortsighted to assume 100% that this would happen (as Stenny could be relegated to Div 3 the same season Rangers got promoted) but could have been taken into account. Secondly, and miles more importantly, the talk of needing to look after Stenny's interests and not "punishing" Rangers is complete rubbish. Even ignoring the point about "punishing" Rangers (which has been made many times) effectively they are making clear that they believe in enforcing rules and precedents or not solely on the basis that it leads to benefit for their squalid entity. Thirdly, Stenny talk repeatedly about the financial difficulties they will be under and I believe these are probably relatively accurate (although the initial point in this point still stands). However, their argument is effectively a) we will be in trouble for year one, b) they will need to make severe cuts to manage in the short-term. I recognise this is a difficult situation but there are other teams who would be in even more trouble who have not cravenly backed down in this way. Nowhere at all in this statement does it say the club will be in severe danger of administration if Rangers go into Division Three, something I'm sure they'd have made clear if it was the case, merely that things will be tough for them for a while. Their statement that Rangers being in Division Three means that "Dependent on the success of hiring the pitch we would potentially reduce the playing budget in year 2" even suggests that they might only "potentially" (not even "probably") have to make savings to the playing budget! Fourthly, not a single mention whatsoever about the view of Stenny supporters. They mention that they had been contacted frequently for their views but do not state at all that (unless I'm completely wrong) the majority of Stenny fans would be against this. Not one mention whatsoever - instead mealy mouthed words about the board being asked their opinion. This statement manages to be very honest (supposedly) about the financial situation but not a single word about the supporters they should be listening to. Shocking. Sixth, it has been known for a long time that Rangers going into Division Three was an option - Stenny were willingly signing players at the start of last month so if they ended up lumbered with unpayable wages through Rangers going into Division Three it is partly their own fault. Trying to be fair, they'd be completely hamstringing themselves if they didn't sign anyone at all as it would make them relegation favourites but a) no mention of this in the statement about their wage bill and b) other clubs who have signed players have still come out with strong "no" statements. Seventh, there is not a huge amount of clarity around what exactly they are asking for in terms of a "stronger and more equitable league structure". However, given that their entire statement reeks of "we have no option financially but to allow this" they've effectively reduced any leverage they might have. Points 8-139 deleted in the interests of retaining some semblance of brevity Again, trying to be fair to Stenny, it is in many ways a relatively honest and articulate statement, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting. At least a few typos and grammatical errors would have added some humour... Edited to state that I was so pissed off I left out point number 5. Rest assured that it was damn good though... Edited July 5, 2012 by Brewing up a storm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 The SFL really should be consulting lawyers now about how to get their £2m. From what has been said about the agreement they don't need to consult lawyers, it is an empty threat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gastropod Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 that bomber idiot said on radio clyde last night that he had the SFL meeting papers at hand and it was adone deal..he also said that came with heavy sanctions on newco and green was a tit to accept it.. then again it was bomber propaganda,, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StewartyMac Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Oh dear, looks like the Stenny directors are all avid readers of the Daily Record and have swallowed all the scaremongering stories. Shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpaddyx Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Who is the SFA board elected by/accountable to? In theory the Fans but only when the fans want the same thing as they do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Your obviously more willing than I am to buy into the bullshit. Firstly, I'm not sure they have the powers. Secondly, I would imagine even if they have the powers these could be subject to challenge on an appeal to UEFA. Thirdly, whilst I don't know the procedures I'm fairly sure the SFA board is elected by (and therefore, you would imagine, accountable to) the Scottish football clubs. Fourthly, would any club dictated to by a body whose representatives they elected br willing to be dictated to by that body? Fifth lay, even if they had the power and the inclination they simply would not have the time. It is a threat and we, and I mean we as the people who are vital to Scottish football, need to be challenging this nonsense rather than acquiescing. to the contrary, i think we should be continuing down the part we have set out all along, not in the game or division 3 regardless of what anyone (outside influences apparently) says i think if the SFL say they have these powers we should be suggesting to clubs if that's the case they should feel free to vote "no" as it is not their fault then & if they don't have the power the bluff will truly have been called 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If anyone is on Twitter, retweet this - Stewart Regan will get a notification (of an @ mention) each time someone does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 i have no idea atall but according to longmuir in the video i posted up earlier from stv they can overturn or push through what they want If they're serious or stupid enough to think that they can pull this shit then they'll quickly go the way of Doncaster and Regan and find themselves on the receiving end of fans wrath up and down the country. Why are the people at the head of the three footballing bodies in this country so determined to commit career suicide?, surely scottish football can't be so bad that they think this is the best way out of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Would the SFL chairmen stay strong if the SPL are offering 6 promotion places over the next 2 years? Obviously i dont know what the deal is but just for the sake of discussion. I think the SFL div1 teams would bite their hand off for that personally. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Some people are either scaremongering or simply can't compute simple arithmetic. How the fcuk will Newco not be able to pay for the upkeep of all their fixed assets in div 3? Newco's business model is far better in div 3 than it ever will be in the SPL. But their business model for SFA membership was delivered last Friday , and it won't be based on Div 3..... Why are Airdrie abstaining? Something to do with Ballantyne? Rangers shareholder, conflict of interest, blah blah...... they can overrule anything they want its their ball Not if the SFL show some baws and don't offer up a club for promotion........can't overrule that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 Do they have a get-out clause which allows them to renege on paying this? No. They're just flat-out threatening to break the settlement contract. Anyone who takes that threat seriously is an idiot. Unfortunately the Stenhousemuir board are apparently that fucking stupid. So at the moment, it's one yes and three probable yes (Alloa, Falkirk, Partick Thistle). Still a bit short of 16. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I've already e-mailed Stenhousemuir saying that I will not be attending any home or away cup games if we are drawn against them. If anyone wants to join me here's the address: info@stenhousemuirfc.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araminta Moonbeam QC Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 If anyone is on Twitter, retweet this - https://twitter.com/...927082954375168 Stewart Regan will get a notification (of an @ mention) each time someone does. I would do but he blocked me weeks ago when I told him to resign for presiding over a shambles and having no morals. Oopsy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Leitch Loyal Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I'm surprised that nobody has come up with this one as it seems to totally sum up what is happening in Scottish football at the moment. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_p1Az05Jo Hang in there guys. The best is yet to come! In the words of the philosopher Jagger: "If you try hard enough. you'll get what you need." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nutz_the_Squirrel Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) Killie Trust Statement Regarding Rangers Newco Vote 5th July 2012 The Killie Trust would like to disassociate themselves from the actions of the Kilmarnock Football Club Chairman at the SPL meeting on Wednesday. It was important that we, as a club, were seen to be taking a moral stance as opposed to acting in self interest, and it is felt that we have been misrepresented by our majority shareholder and sole board member in this case. His refusal to vote was clearly not in the best long term interests of the club as it cast a shadow of doubt about our own integrity in this sorry affair. We hosted an open meeting in conjunction with our Supporters Association last week which Michael Johnston attended and a unanimous show of hands from the floor should have left him in no doubt that Kilmarnock supporters were not in favour of any new club being allowed entry directly in the top division based purely on financial reasons. This was also backed up by various on line polls which indicated that 98% of those whom voted were also of the same mind, and we are more than certain that the "consultation", which the club paid for and then apparently decided not to act upon, would have reflected the same; although the results of said "consultation" was kept out of the public domain and not made available to those whom voted. The decision taken by the SPL is indeed a momentous one and we hope that the fans of the clubs affected can now concentrate on getting behind their teams and ensuring that the embarrassing scare-mongering predictions of Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan, who should be considering their own positions at this time, do not come to fruition. If ever it was more clear that we need only one governing body for a country our size it is now. We sympathise with the genuine Rangers fans out there who have, like so many others, been victims of so-called business men that have systematically pulled their club apart and we hope that their supporters will having a major say in how their club is run from here on in. The only good thing to come of all this has been the refreshing way in which most clubs have responded to the wishes of their fan base and we hope that the clubs in the SFL will respond in a similar fashion and not be bullied into accepting change they do not want, when it comes to doing the right thing there can be no compromise. We have the opportunity over the coming season to start getting our house in order and we hope that Supporters Direct and fans in general will be given a say in the direction that Scottish football will take. The major stake-holders in our game cannot and will not be ignored any longer because without the fans there would be no clubs and the time has come for us to reclaim our place at the table and ensure that commercial greed and self interest no longer dictate the decisions that have to be made. We are all in this together and together we can get Scottish football back on its feet, from the bottom division to the top, anything less is simply unacceptable. (Edited for formatting error) Edited July 5, 2012 by Nutz_the_Squirrel 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFC_East_Stand_Al Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 (edited) I'm so sick of hearing how Rangers deserve special consideration because they are such a big club, would they be such a big club had they lived within their means for the last decade, had they signed players they could afford, had they paid tax and NI the same as everyone else? And FYI Newco fans you are applying for the SFL,in whichever division they deem to allow you with a threadbare squad no European football and yet the arrogant assumption is that you will win whichever league you're allowed into. Wake up and smell the coffee 1st day of pre season it was reported you had 13 players 4 of which were Goalkeepers. This is the same arrogant beligerence that has led to so many fans contacting their "Diddy" Clubs to insist they voted no to newco in the SPL. Edited July 5, 2012 by MFC_East_Stand_Al 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blanco Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 I would do but he blocked me weeks ago when I told him to resign for presiding over a shambles and having no morals. Oopsy. That arsehole giovanni di stefano called me a tosser, the cheeky b*****d 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Araminta Moonbeam QC Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 That arsehole giovanni di stefano called me a tosser, the cheeky b*****d Blocked by a war criminal - quite an achievement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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