Bearwithme Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Does anyone neutral really see, in reality, Airdrie United as being Clydebank with a different name? I'm not sure too many people actually do. May well be wrong though. The reality is that these things are soon forgotten (apart from by a few obsessives). The same will happen with Rangers. Whatever side of the argument you favour, the practical situation is that as long as the team plays on it will be seen as the same club and the obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "They're deid! They're deid!" as much as they want.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I would say that it very much is up for debate. Whilst accepting the point, I have difficulty with anything which closes with "this is clear and accepts no arguments". It's an eloquent way of writing FACT. FWIW I think of them as the 'new' Airdrieonians. Never given it any thought before but if asked, I would have said their story started when they started. i.e. recently. (can't be arsed checking the date) What do Airdire fans think? See I'm closer to your view, than to I do tbh. But I'm only really asking as I find it hard to disassociate Newco Rangers with Oldco Rangers, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The reality is that these things are soon forgotten (apart from by a few obsessives). The same will happen with Rangers. Whatever side of the argument you favour, the practical situation is that as long as the team plays on it will be seen as the same club and the obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "They're deid! They're deid!" as much as they want.... Agreed, but the difference is there's a whole extra dimension to this with the notions of punishment. The identity crisis may be forgotten long term, but immediately it's of the highest importance. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I would say that it very much is up for debate. Source, please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Source, please. The whole quote is a link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Italian law is obviously different to ours but from what I read it's a new club. The fans, of course, will call it La Viola etc. But it is a new club. Not sure about that. But history is an intangible asset. Goodwill (the business type) is another. These can be purchased. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearwithme Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Agreed, but the difference is there's a whole extra dimension to this with the notions of punishment. The identity crisis may be forgotten long term, but immediately it's of the highest importance. Clearly Rangers can be punished for what happened in the club's past e.g. the transfer embargo looks like being imposed and as far as I know the fines have still to be paid (12 months is the period set down for payment). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The reality is that these things are soon forgotten (apart from by a few obsessives). The same will happen with Rangers. Whatever side of the argument you favour, the practical situation is that as long as the team plays on it will be seen as the same club and the obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "They're deid! They're deid!" as much as they want.... At the risk of getting negged to f**k I can sort of understand why Green is pissed off at the SFA. It looks like they will get the membership so why did they have to go through the league application stuff? If the situation is the same as Airdrie who took Clydebank's 2nd division place then why didn't The Rangers take Rangers' place. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 The reality is that these things are soon forgotten (apart from by a few obsessives). The same will happen with Rangers. Whatever side of the argument you favour, the practical situation is that as long as the team plays on it will be seen as the same club and the obsessives can jump and up and down and shout, "They're deid! They're deid!" as much as they want.... Agreed but this debate revolves around what will be shown in the annals of football achievement. The record books. Now we all know that there are two ways to score points over the opposing fans. "My team is better than your team' (now) or 'My team has a better history than your team', (and we will be back again soon)'. There will never be agreement amongst the fans on the Sevco thing. Only the authorities can decree. I wish to feck they would hurry up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Clearly Rangers can be punished for what happened in the club's past e.g. the transfer embargo looks like being imposed and as far as I know the fines have still to be paid (12 months is the period set down for payment). If Rangers can be punished for what happened in the past will all local taxs still have to be paid before they can play in Europe again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlasgowCeltic.org Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Not sure about that. But history is an intangible asset. Goodwill (the business type) is another. These can be purchased. Scots law has never recognised 'history' as an incorporeal moveable property. Like I said, if I purchased the 'history' of Rangers FC (IA), would that mean that it was fans of me who had wrecked Barcelona, rioted in Manchester etc. ? Could, for example, Aberdeen FC 'purchase' the history from AC Milan, and claim to have won umpteen Serie A titles, despite never having played in it? Nonsensical idea. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyderspaceman Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) The whole quote is a link. Oops! Thought it was underlined for emphasis. eta...............""As always, this is not legal advice, which in practical terms, may be different to the general principles we are discussing here."" Lawyerspeak for 'we can say one thing and it can mean two things. Edited July 22, 2012 by cyderspaceman 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Over Scotland Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Can nobody be arsed to use Wikipedia around here? The year 2001 heralded major changes for Fiorentina, as the terrible state of the club's finances was revealed: they were unable to pay wages and had debts of around USD 50 million. The club's owner, Vittorio Cecchi Gori, was able to raise some more money, but even this soon proved to be insufficient resources to sustain the club. Fiorentina were relegated at the end of the 2001–02 season and went into judicially controlled administration in June 2002. This form of bankruptcy (sports companies cannot exactly fail in this way in Italy, but they can suffer a similar procedure) meant that the club was refused a place in Serie B for the 2002–03 season, and as a result effectively ceased to exist. Della Valle era The club was promptly re-established in August 2002 as Associazione Calcio Fiorentina e Florentia Viola with shoe and leather entrepreneur Diego Della Valle as new owner, and was admitted into Serie C2, the fourth tier of Italian football. The only player to remain at the club in its new incarnation was Angelo Di Livio, whose commitment to club's cause further endeared him to the fans. Helped by Di Livio and 30-goal striker Christian Riganò, the club won its Serie C2 group with considerable ease, which would normally have led to a promotion to Serie C1. However, due to the bizarre Caso Catania (Catania Case) the club skipped Serie C1 and was admitted into Serie B, something that was only made possible by the Italian Football Federation's decision to resolve the Catania situation by increasing the number of teams in Serie B from 20 to 24 and promoting Fiorentina for "sports merits."[5] In the 2003 off-season, the club also bought back the right to use the Fiorentina name and the famous shirt design, and re-incorporated itself as ACF Fiorentina. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 It's interesting that Channel 4's Alex Thomson (who is much fawned over by many on here) has today named the members of the tax tribunal dealing with Rangers' EBT case. Personally, it doesn't bother me but perhaps some feel he should be subject to severe criticism. Or it could be that Thomson was just repeating something that was a matter of public record. I doubt if the members of the tax tribunal are going to be subject to personal threats and abuse. Unless you know something we don't............... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Can nobody be arsed to use Wikipedia around here? It's not worth a penny. Nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leepylee Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Or it could be that Thomson was just repeating something that was a matter of public record. I doubt if the members of the tax tribunal are going to be subject to personal threats and abuse. Unless you know something we don't............... I can't imagine any rangers fans making threats against the tax tribuneral. I mean I know there have been noises on follow follow about rising up against those who have wronged them and I know they have recently issued the odd death threat to lawyers mp's and spl managers and posted the odd bomb and bullet Here and there but I can't imagine they would extend that into making threats 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarreZ Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) Its quite funny that the fans are only getting a 30% reduction in season ticket money, they are being royally raped for the third division, they get a game less to start with, the cheapest ticket is still dearer than a lot of SPL clubs season tickets. I know they talk of packing Ibrox out every week but It wouldnt surprise me if they are lucky to get 15,000 most weeks, especially at those prices. They are also trying to hijack Amy McDonalds scotland song Pride, suggesting its about Rangers and not about Scotland despite it being quite public what its about, people see what they want to see. Edited July 22, 2012 by MarreZ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby_F Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 Well they can put however many stars on their shirt as they like. There is no shirt design protocol and no body that awards stars or anything like that. The SFA are engaged in the negotiations to transfer the membership, they want the club to continue because they want to issue their sanctions. They can't give Sevco a new membership and expect to place sanctions on it. Example. I buy your car from your estate because you got caught drink driving and topped yourself. I wouldn't have to take on the penalty points, ban or jail sentence just because I bought your car. (In this case Ibrox and Murray Park are the Car) If I was also to buy your corpse and re-animate it to be my chauffeur then that sums up where we are now. As far as I know that's not correct. I'm pretty sure I read some where that they had to petition (UEFA I think) for permission to add those stars - presumable precisely because they were NOT just part of a design, but signifying previously won honours. As for the rest of your post, worst analogy I've heard in a while 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulo Sergio Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 I know they talk of packing Ibrox out every week but It wouldnt surprise me if they are lucky to get 15,000 most weeks, especially at those prices. Of course that's what will happen, their fans are 90% gloryhunters and bigots. All they care about is either seeing their team win or having a right good sing song. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Umbungo1874 Posted July 22, 2012 Share Posted July 22, 2012 (edited) My linkMy linkAllan McGregor way to Besiktas Beşiktaş have completed the transfers of Allan McGregor and Julien Escude.Both McGregor and Escude join the Black eagles on a free transfer and both players have signed 2 year contracts with the Istanbul giants. ex-Rangers goalkeeper Allan McGregor will receive €1.2 million per season, while Julien Escude contract details are yet to be disclosed. The experienced keeper spent six seasons at Rangers and has 21 Scotland international caps. Edited July 22, 2012 by Umbungo1874 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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