stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 2 makes a crowd or a unique meeting of the 2 doesn't it? Where did you find 2 suck-up? Put it this way, it's two more than East Fife fans on the thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I think he means that this thread has approximately 2 intelligent Rangers fans and you are one of them. Correct, always enjoy dorlomins posts, call me a suckup if you wish..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum_gers Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Rangers didn't publish their accounts last year so wouldn't have been allowed into Europe anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 (edited) Rangers didn't publish their accounts last year so wouldn't have been allowed into Europe anyway. That is only a one year suspension though. Edited March 19, 2013 by stonedsailor 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum_gers Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Rangers didn't publish their accounts last year so wouldn't have been allowed into Europe anyway. That is only a one year suspension though. Fair enough. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Rangers didn't publish their accounts last year so wouldn't have been allowed into Europe anyway. No but if the company that now own the assets had lodged accounts that would suffice "if" club was the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast_Tim Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 "A ned cabal of IRA supporters right at the very heart of your clubs support." That's a belter of a line. Nice to know the **** are concerned about our support. Maybe they aren't all knuckle dragging monkeys after all. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 No but if the company that now own the assets had lodged accounts that would suffice "if" club was the same. That's what I don't get. Rangers were transferred to new owners, the club and company are seperate, surely then oldco's accounts would be seperate from the club's and the club's accounts should have been transferred along with the rest of the club. The same goes with the arbitration process for compensation for the players who walked away. Oldco were in arbitration on behalf of the club yet the SFA have failed to allow that arbitration to be transferred along with the club. They are the same club, Lord Nimmo Smith said that under the SPL's rules this was the case, so why are the SFA and UEFA not recognising this? Stupid! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 That's what I don't get. Rangers were transferred to new owners, the club and company are seperate, surely then oldco's accounts would be seperate from the club's and the club's accounts should have been transferred along with the rest of the club. The same goes with the arbitration process for compensation for the players who walked away. Oldco were in arbitration on behalf of the club yet the SFA have failed to allow that arbitration to be transferred along with the club. They are the same club, Lord Nimmo Smith said that under the SPL's rules this was the case, so why are the SFA and UEFA not recognising this? Stupid! Because they aren't the same club. Club and company are the same thing. Old club accounts are also the company accounts. It's impossible 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wunfellaff Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Because they aren't the same club. Club and company are the same thing. Old club accounts are also the company accounts. It's impossible Which was kinda my point...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Because they aren't the same club. Club and company are the same thing. Old club accounts are also the company accounts. It's impossible Not according to LNS, unless he was only ruling using the SPL's rulebook in the dual contract case. I wouldn't think so though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 UEFA take their lead from the SFA, as did LNS, that really is about it. Okay, I get that then. I still don't get how the transfer of the arbitration process between the two legal entities was blocked by the SFA via their independent panel ruling on the matter. After all the arbitration was on behalf of the club and not the company, the company side of things was dealt with by the TUPE laws. And what about the accounts? Why did the club's seperate accounts not transfer? I am not doubting continuation I just don't understand it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 You're not suggesting that the club/company separation argument has more holes than a sieve are you stonedsailor you rascal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Okay, I get that then. I still don't get how the transfer of the arbitration process between the two legal entities was blocked by the SFA via their independent panel ruling on the matter. After all the arbitration was on behalf of the club and not the company, the company side of things was dealt with by the TUPE laws. And what about the accounts? Why did the club's seperate accounts not transfer? I am not doubting continuation I just don't understand it. It isn't understandable because the whole idea about a club being separate from the company it became when it was In corporated only came about a year ago. It's totally unheard of. I don't doubt the continuation because the sfa have allowed it. They did die though. The one thing I'll never accept is the separation issue. U can't turn into a business then go back to being a club again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 It isn't understandable because the whole idea about a club being separate from the company it became when it was In corporated only came about a year ago. It's totally unheard of. I don't doubt the continuation because the sfa have allowed it. They did die though. The one thing I'll never accept is the separation issue. U can't turn into a business then go back to being a club again I think you can actually but you'd have to go through the proper legal process of changing the company back into a club. Did this happen? Did oldco change back into a club and then get bought by newco and incorporated into their company? confused.com 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Canny say I have ever pretended to know anything about employment law Stoney, think I will just pass if its ok with you. SFA say we are the same club, everything feels the same when I park my arse on my padded seat at Ibrox, we will win our 116th recognised trophy in the next few weeks, the records books will reflect this, that's does it for me. Good luck with yer search though. Fair enough Tedi mate. Could you show me where the SFA have said they are the same club? The only thing I can find even close to an official view is the player arbitration thing where the SFA asked an indenendent panel to rule if the arbitration could be transferred under SFA rules and that panel decided that under SFA rules there was no transferance. Not doubting you, I just must be a bit of a n00btard with google. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I think you can actually but you'd have to go through the proper legal process of changing the company back into a club. Did this happen? Did oldco change back into a club and then get bought by newco and incorporated into their company? confused.com It's impossible, the whole idea only came about a year ago when the media the sfa and everyone connected with rangers decidesd to spout the same party line. I don't doubt continuation because the sfa have allowed it. They are a new club though.all the evidence points to this. This whole club company is the worst thing that's came out of it. It's a total myth. A club can't turn into a business then revert back to being a club again. It can go out the game and clubs assets sold 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 You're not suggesting that the club/company separation argument has more holes than a sieve are you stonedsailor you rascal? Not at all, I am quite happy to accept LNS's judgement on the matter. I am just a curious sort and really want to know how this works. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Jack D Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 I accept LNS assertion that the club continues but there are some Anomalies I can't understand either. The main one at present is that the company that owned Rangers went into Admin and the club were deducted 10 points, why haven't Hearts been given the same punishment? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 19, 2013 Share Posted March 19, 2013 Not at all, I am quite happy to accept LNS's judgement on the matter. I am just a curious sort and really want to know how this works. It doesn't, u will never find out how it works 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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