Big Rangers Administration/Liquidation Thread - All chat here!

[bennett]

Seems Craig Whyte now has someone else to champion his cause.

@alextomo: Claims that Craig Whyte lost " an opportunity to redeem his reputation by achieving a turnaround success at Rangers FC"...

Those two parasites are well suited.

[AberdeenBud]

One from the archive FAO Number 8 and his tendency to rewrite History with a sevconian slant.;

Rangers takeover: ‘Only match-fixing’ a more serious breach

Published on 12/05/2012 03:21

The Scottish Football Association judicial panel that handed Rangers a 12-month transfer embargo judged the club’s rule breaches second only to match-fixing in their seriousness.

The SFA yesterday published the 167-page rationale behind the decision as it named the three appeal panel members who will reconsider the case on Wednesday.

The appeal will be heard by serving judge Lord Carloway, former Partick Thistle chairman Allan Cowan and Spartans chairman Craig Graham, a partner at KPMG.

Rangers were also fined £160,000 after being found guilty of five charges relating to their financial affairs and the appointment of Craig Whyte as chairman. Rangers claimed they should not be held responsible for the actions of Whyte, but that defence was dismissed as having no legal basis given the established principle of corporate liability.

Furthermore, the panel concluded that directors and senior managers should have publicly raised concerns over the actions of Whyte, who presided over the non-payment of £13million in tax between May last year and February 14, when the club went into administration.

The panel’s report, written by Gary Allan QC, stated: “Only match fixing in its various forms might be a more serious breach. They brought the gameinto serious disrepute.

“In the case of the non payment of tax, which was possibly by the smallest margin the most serious breach, the massive extent of the failure and the intentional and calculated manner in which it was carried out aggravated the breach even further.”

The panel considered ending or suspending the club’s SFA membership but judged that sanction too severe.

The report noted Rangers felt they had been “duped and cheated by a director who had made false representations”. However, the panel felt directors and senior managers were “entirely aware” Whyte was engaged in a deliberate programme of non-payment of taxes and non-co-operation with auditors. They added that director Dave King “appears to have done little” about his exclusion from governance except repeat demands for information.

The report also noted that former directors John McClelland and John Greig were aware of rumours of non-payment of taxes.

The club’s long-serving financial controller, Ken Olverman, was told in September by Whyte that he was withholding taxes, which at that stage the club could have paid.

“Whyte stated to Mr Olverman that non payment of the sums due was a tactic or negotiating ploy intended to improve the position of Rangers FC in any attempted negotiation with HMRC of a settlement in ‘the Big Tax Case’,” the report read.

The panel summed up: “They could have made public the activities of Mr Craig Whyte of which they were aware or ought to have been aware.” They added that “directors and employees must have known that what was happening within Rangers FC was entirely wrong and illegitimate but they chose to do nothing to bring it to the attention of the public.

“That may be a matter for their long-term reflection but it does reduce the mitigatory impact of the suggestion that Rangers FC were innocent victims.” The tribunal felt a 12-month embargo on registering players aged over 17 was just punishment.

“It appeared to the tribunal that, in a case such as this, the punishment should relate in some meaningful way to the unpaid taxes arising from high wages and salaries amongst certain players,” the report said.

The panel heard evidence from McClelland, Olverman, former chief executive Martin Bain and Rangers’ head of football administration Andrew Dickson. The report added that Olverman was contacted by tax officials in August about invoices discovered in the business records of Ticketus, who are owed almost £27million by Rangers.

The report stated that Olverman had no knowledge of the invoices and knew that no sums of money had been received from Ticketus in recent times. Olverman was later shown invoices but did not recognise them as having been issued by the club. The report stated: “He was of the view that it appeared as though Clip Art computer processes had been involved in their creation.”

Rangers manager Ally McCoist had controversially called for the original panel to be named, despite the club knowing their identities. Yesterday he said: “We just want transparency and clarity and I’m delighted that the appeals panel has been named.”

Horrid then, horrid now, horrid forever.

Edited May 29, 2013 by AberdeenBud

[Double Jack D]

Can't believe some Sevco/5088/The Rangers fans still feel hard done by.

They do realise that the authoroties bent over backwards to allow them to play football this season ?

No Mikey, they don't see that at all.

They feel hard done by that the only punishment they recieved was a January transfer window ban, made to pay a small proportion of their debt and a fresh start in division three.

Seems likely that this opportunity to start afresh is likely to fall flat on it's face, maybe they won't be so lucky next time around!

[bennett]

No Mikey, they don't see that at all.

They feel hard done by that the only punishment they recieved was a January transfer window ban, made to pay a small proportion of their debt and a fresh start in division three.

Seems likely that this opportunity to start afresh is likely to fall flat on it's face, maybe they won't be so lucky next time around!

Where do you even start with that rubbish?

[AberdeenBud]

D&P and BDO and various lawyers, some gravy train. And to think that some on here couldn't wait for BDO to do their stuff.

As usual the wee guys get stamped on.

Feck me, I'm actually in agreement with Benny here.

Faith in BDO was entirely misplaced, just look at their involvement with farepack for anyone who was expecting otherwise.

[GreenockRover]

D&P and BDO and various lawyers, some gravy train. And to think that some on here couldn't wait for BDO to do their stuff.

As usual the wee guys get stamped on.

...and your lot put the first boot in.....

[AberdeenBud]

Where do you even start with that rubbish?

Eh, with another punishment you have received? I think we'll be waiting a while.

[Lex]

The old football club stank to high heaven of corruption, bigotry and dodgy dealings. The new club was meant to be a fresh start, sadly this opportunity has not been taken.

Fans of the new club have been charged for bigoted chanting and their has been more corruption and dodgy deals in one season at this club to last every club in the nation a life time.

It stinks, the whole place stinks. What a horrible affliction it must be to support such a sickening putrid club, i genuinely feel sorry for their ( very few ) decent fans.

[MikeyWellFan]

No Mikey, they don't see that at all.

They feel hard done by that the only punishment they recieved was a January transfer window ban, made to pay a small proportion of their debt and a fresh start in division three.

Seems likely that this opportunity to start afresh is likely to fall flat on it's face, maybe they won't be so lucky next time around!

It is atsonishing.

They should be thankful that they even have a team to watch yet all we hear is how it's not their fault and how everybody is against them.

It really is tiresome.

Edited May 29, 2013 by MikeyWellFan

[bennett]

Sorry Lex but even Wisbit can do better than that, back to the drawing board matey.

[Ken Fitlike]

Sorry Lex but even Wisbit can do better than that, back to the drawing board matey.

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[hellbhoy]

Sorry but that is not my recollection at all, I do not really think Rangers fans cared what fans of other fans were thinking, it was more about not wanting favours from anyone.

Really I do not understand what the problem is nor why all the P & D`s are getting upset about, they wanted SFL3, Rangers fans wanted SFL3, thats what was voted for and that is what happened, I was happy with the outcome as were the vast majority of Rangers fans, all the polls suggested the same.

SFL 3 was the only viable option both in terms of whats right and in our best interests, everything should have worked out fine. Like you i can't understand why the P&Bers are so worked up about this.

You two can be a right pair of rockets at times here's a wee reminder of why your fans wanted 3rd division football and notice the rhetoric used by quite a few of your mob FCUK THEM & LET THEM SUFFER & THEY CAN SHOVE THEIR PUNISHMENTS UP THEIR ARSE & many more yes most want SFL 3rd division footy but it's not because it was the right thing to do but rather to get one up every fucker who stuck the boot in and they are not accepting punishments either.

croatianbicycles

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:46 PM

Call the bluff, what's the point in playing in a league which will have a stupid points deduction- something which will make it impossible to win the league/ get in Europe. The SPL will crumble without us. Liewell will say otherwise, but he's a fool. The joke will be on him, within months.

As I understand Sky & ESPN have exclusive rights for the SPL so we couldn't sign our own TV deal. However, if we dropped into the SFL, in theory we could negiotiate our own TV deal. Furthermore the Sky/ESPN deal for the SPL would be void, the deal is dependent on 4 Old Firms per season.

We have the opportunity to be very clever here...

whitey126

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:51 PM

Div 3 without a doubt. All those b*****ds would be quite happy to handicap us for a few years whilst needing us for their TV deal, and relying on the cash generated by our fans.

Would much rather screw the b*****ds than the other way about

Rangers_no1

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 12:51 PM

Would rather see the scum and other tossers in the SPL struggle without us, thick c***s think they would be fine. Have no idea the complications it would have on their own clubs, as if the scum won't lose at least 30% fans if they had no Rangers to compete against.

Oh aye it was all about the right thing to do with dignity and all that

http://forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=212871&st=0

[thelegendthatis]

More Dodgy happenings involving Fat Sally the Charity Foundation;

Ally McCoist has embarked upon a £10k fundraising campaign for the Rangers Charity Foundation. Good stuff!

He is aiming to achieve this by navigating some white water rapids in Idaho (the River Salmon) with a team of Rangers Charity Foundation supporters.

My interest in this was piqued a couple of weeks ago when I noticed that he had only raised £219. I therefore raised awareness of the event in my blog and subsequently on twitter (I am not claiming credit here for now getting him to the £8,000 he has currently raised).

What I found particularly strange was that the target seemed so low. Mr McCoist is a wealthy man through his footballing and media endeavours as are many of his associates, friends and colleagues. Indeed, I would have anticipated a target of £100,000 to be more appropriate especially when one considers the costs involved in this wort of thing. I decided therefore to keep an eye on this.

My curiosity was further raised by a tweet from Ally McCoist’s son on Thursday, 22 May in which he stated that the airline had given away their business class seats because they were late. Business class seats on a fundraising trip? Hmmm…

So I have followed the redoubtable Mr McCoist junior and it transpires that he spent 3 days in New York City in a hotel overlooking Times Square. Then he flew out to Denver before catching a connecting flight to Boise, Idaho and then another connection to Salmon, Idaho. Following the rafting, Mr McCoist junior has helpfully informed us that he will be in San Francisco afterwards although it is unclear for how long or if this is part of the charity programme or, em, personal business.

A wee friend in the travel agency business did a bit of research for me and priced the flights only package at £4,500. A hotel in New York overlooking Times Square would set you back about £300 per night. So that’s at least £5,000.

On top of this, of course, one has to add the cost of the white water rafting. I am reliably informed that the RCF party are participating in a five day experience costing £1,500. So we’ve now got a running total of £6,500 per head.

Yes folks, Ally McCoist has gone all the way to America to raise £1,500. If Mr McCoist is indeed employed on an annual salary of £750,000 as rumoured that 1/500 of his annual salary or about half-a-day; not quite a tithe, eh?

Anyway, I digress. Eagle-eyed readers will have spotted that I mention both Ally McCoist and his son. They may also have spotted that I mentioned that Mr McCoist is leading a team.

Now, I could be mistaken here but I’ve trawled (yes, it is an obsession) Just Giving and I cannot find a single entry for Ally’s Idaho Challenge other than that under Ally’s own name. There is no account in his son’s name and there is no other account specific to Idaho.

That’s very strange…I mean where are the funds being raised by other rafters? You don’t think they could all be in one Just Giving account, do you? But, but, but, but that would mean that the charity is now paying everyone to take a holiday at its expense! Surely not?

Maybe those nice, responsive people at the Rangers Press Office or the Rangers Charity Foundation itself can reply and let me know (they’ve got the email address)?

If they do decide to respond perhaps they could also let me know how they plan to ensure that the insurance policy they’ve obviously taken out to protect the rafters is legally binding if it hasn’t actually been legally executed by the board of trustees?

http://alzipratu.wordpress.com/2013/05/28/is-ally-up-st-creek-without-a-paddle/

Excellent post. I am sure Ally is not a bad person and would never abuse his position and reputation just for a free holiday, or one paid for by a charity.

Especially by exploiting Rangers fans by asking for their hard earned cash.(best leaving that to those have been, are, or would like to be on the board of rangers).

Ideally Ally just makes a statement that explains the financial arrangements for the trip for his son and himself.

And then we can all "move on".

[bennett]

Hellboy QC putting the pie into pie and bovril, yet again.

[hellbhoy]

Hellboy QC putting the pie into pie and bovril, yet again.

It's got to be better than taking the piss out of it like you do Benny.

[thelegendthatis]

From the BBC website

The Football Association is emailing England fans asking them not to indulge in "offensive songs" when their team play the Republic of Ireland at Wembley on Wednesday night. It's safe to assume there's one song they have particularly in mind.

"With St George in my heart keep me English, with St George in my heart I pray, with St George in my heart keep me English, keep me English till my dying day.

"No surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the IRA. Scum."

The fans who sing it also like to squeeze in a "no surrender" just before the line "send her victorious" in God Save The Queen.

So why and when did some fans adopt No Surrender?

It is assumed that the adoption of the song came from mixing between Rangers fans - some of whom had loyalist sympathies - and English fans in the 1980s, says Lyons. After 1985, English clubs were banned from European competition after the deaths of 39 Juventus fans in a European Cup final with Liverpool.

During the ban, some English fans started to follow Rangers in Europe and there were Rangers fans who supported England. The song - which seems linked to Northern Irish unionist or loyalist politics - may have been adopted at this point..

The "no surrender" slogan has been co-opted by the English Defence League.

[AberdeenBud]

Our dignity is more important than league standing

[bennett]

From the BBC website

The Football Association is emailing England fans asking them not to indulge in "offensive songs" when their team play the Republic of Ireland at Wembley on Wednesday night. It's safe to assume there's one song they have particularly in mind.

"With St George in my heart keep me English, with St George in my heart I pray, with St George in my heart keep me English, keep me English till my dying day.

"No surrender, no surrender, no surrender to the IRA. Scum."

The fans who sing it also like to squeeze in a "no surrender" just before the line "send her victorious" in God Save The Queen.

So why and when did some fans adopt No Surrender?

It is assumed that the adoption of the song came from mixing between Rangers fans - some of whom had loyalist sympathies - and English fans in the 1980s, says Lyons. After 1985, English clubs were banned from European competition after the deaths of 39 Juventus fans in a European Cup final with Liverpool.

During the ban, some English fans started to follow Rangers in Europe and there were Rangers fans who supported England. The song - which seems linked to Northern Irish unionist or loyalist politics - may have been adopted at this point..

The "no surrender" slogan has been co-opted by the English Defence League.

It's a fitba match, what do they expect - everyone to hold hands and sing kumbaya?

It's not offensive just fitba fans sticking it to other fitba fans.

[AberdeenBud]

Dignity? Maybe. Paying taxes and creditors? Definitely not.

[hellbhoy]

So only 3 that disagree? from RM? where are the genuine P & B bears that subscribe to those views?

You say it was the vast majority that had this view, I say you are as ever a complete roaster without the slightest clue about reality, 3 proves nothing, provide 1000 + quotes from different posters and you will win the argument, if not then sorry my view which was the same as the majority of polls done and the majority of comments (from Rangers fans) on the SPL`s own survey (below) holds true.

So you didn't read through the whole thread on RM you knob jockey ? just about every Rangers supporter I know last year wanted exactly the same thing ! every other club or association to suffer more than Rangers were at the time but your recollection is sure to be somewhat different but we do know now that Rangers fans will change their opinion to suit how they feel today although they would have has a different view a few months ? weeks ? days ? or even hours earlier.

Next you will be quoting that Rangers were actually relegated .