FinnesTON Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 A few quid more? for what? watching football? Nah this season is a few quid less and a lot more enjoyable We all pay money to be entertained and I have never minded paying this money to Rangers My bill for watching Football is somehow a few quid more than what other supporters are paying at their clubs? Aye wait until you see your annual accounts before beating your chest in triumph. Well good luck in reaching the 1st division and then stagnating but this won't happen it is fantasy to deflect your old clubs actions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 A few quid more? for what? watching football? Nah this season is a few quid less and a lot more enjoyable We all pay money to be entertained and I have never minded paying this money to Rangers My bill for watching Football is somehow a few quid more than what other supporters are paying at their clubs? I've had a look at the OP (I know you're a stickler for this), and I'm not seeing the word "more" in his statement. Surely your reading comprehension isn't as poor as your writing skills, or your basic arithmetic when it comes to stars for SPL titles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenockRover Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 What Chuck is selling to the masses...... The actual product being "bought"..... ....and why the 'fans' can't see the truth...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Is this Alistair Johnston the same as Alistair "no surrender" Johnston? :-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 More nonsense from AJ My link Basically if EBTs weren't available they would have bought the players anyway and just paid the higher taxation cos, er, well, Minty Moonbeams was pure loaded and that. Oh, and liquidation was solely down to Craigy Boy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheTaxMan Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://scottishfootballmonitor.wordpress.com/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://scottishfootb. ...wordpress.com/ Thought I would save Bennett from letting off some steam with the usual deflectionary tactics - "have the miners been paid yet?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Capsule Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think all the "diddy supporters" and "plastics" will agree with me that we will stop all this interest in the great Rangers Sevco when they pay me my £20 I am owned from them in tax money. And the £20 they owe every other person in Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeeTeeJag Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 "They have been asked to take it on the chin time and again." Aye ever time guys like Tedi kneel down in front of Charlie. ;-) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Stramash Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Finally, a journalist who dares tell it like it is. Bravo. May have been posted already but there are about ten pages since I last checked. Good stuff from Roger Mitchell in the Herald today: Link - http://www.heraldsco...a-look.18857922 Does Green actually buy this stuff? Let's take a look Roger Mitchell For someone who claimed the Scottish Premier League was a really bad idea a few weeks ago, I found myself surprised that I felt the strong urge to defend my former organisation in the face of the bombast from Charles Green. inShare0Custom byline text: Roger Mitchell I truly hope by the time that this is read, someone officially representing the SPL will have done likewise. I ask myself, does Green actually buy this stuff? Let's take a look: Claim 1 Rangers ceased to be subject to the SPL's rules when they were ejected from their league. Contextual targeting label: Block list Fact Rangers oldco was not ejected from the SPL. The fact that Rangers went into liquidation automatically expelled them from the league. The SPL shareholders then decided not to make an exception and let them back in. Two very different things. Claim 2 The outcome of the SPL's process will have no legal effect. Fact What the SPL are deciding upon is whether their tournament and their trophy was assigned to the correct club in the years in question. The SPL have every right to examine whether participants in their competition behaved within the rules. And if they find they haven't, they can apply their rule book as recourse. More Green nonsense. I do, however, agree with him that "whatever decision they reach is a decision of the SPL". Indeed. But the SPL should be proud of that, and not hide behind the Law Lords. The SPL are examining the conduct of the participants in their competition well before Rangers went into liquidation, in particular the conduct of the club then owned by Sir David Murray, with the club secretary role (in charge of those player registrations) held by Campbell Ogilvie (whatever happened to him?). Charles Green and Sevco have nothing to do with this. Whatsoever. Claim 3 The new owners purchased all the business and assets of Rangers, including titles and trophies. Fact Green said on June 2012 that if his CVA proposal was to fail (which it did) and Rangers were to be liquidated (which they are), "the history, the tradition, everything that's great about this club is swept aside". Therefore he admits he has not purchased titles and trophies. Sevco has no titles and trophies. By the way, Charles, I would not provoke commentators like me to dig this up, because what you said is not what the Rangers fans want to hear now, as you now correctly realise. Let it lie, Charlie, let it lie. So, even one with a leaning towards Govan would argue that, under the most superficial scrutiny, Green's attack is less than robust. But sometimes you have to chuck a dog a bone. So, to be fair, Charlie is right with his complaint on the SPL's lack of consistency, Green states: "The SPL took part in discussions regarding the new company's league status, where 'the EBT issue' would be dealt with as part of a package of sanctions which would be implemented in return for membership. "We do not accept that people who are willing to come to an agreement on such matters then have a right to instigate a full-blown inquisition when matters do not unfold as they thought they would." Sadly this falls into the general shambles of the management of the affair by the SFA/SPL. I made my own view clear on the leadership of both bodies in the summer. But I cannot see how the credibility of the current process on a simple point of law over false registration of players with Employee Benefit Trusts (being handled by independent top QCs) can be derailed by claims that the prosecutor behaved incoherently months earlier. Good debating point, Charles, but it's not enough. Instead, all of us who love the game and who hold true sporting values in our hearts have a simple question: Did Rangers oldco gain unfair advantage by registering players on a basis where their full employment conditions were not declared to the SPL/SFA? In my mind the answer is undoubtedly 'yes'. But let's not forget the lessons of Versailles: bloodlust rebounds. The SPL enquiry punishment doesn't arouse great passion in me. And it shouldn't either for Celtic fans. For them I'd argue the victory is in the fact that their greatest rival died. The 125-year long struggle ended with the collapse of the adversary. The war was won. Achilles vanquished Hector. In closing, from Mark Anthony onwards history tells us that well-crafted oratory can influence the mob. While Charles Green is no great speaker or statesman, I must admit, he is no dummy. And there is no doubt that his audience is the mob, whose money and favour he needs in order to exit the Rangers investment project with a financial return. Stoking up hatred has always energised "the base", another example of which we saw in the Republican convention in these days. Well done, Charles. Initial Public Offering of shares here we come. For Scottish football, the days of enlightenment around the Tommy Burns funeral are long gone, and I fear the worst. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 I think all the "diddy supporters" and "plastics" will agree with me that we will stop all this interest in the great Rangers Sevco when they pay me my £20 I am owned from them in tax money. And the £20 they owe every other person in Scotland. How often do I have to explain this? They don't owe every person in Scotland £20. They owe every person in the UK £2. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zurcher Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 More nonsense from AJ My link Basically if EBTs weren't available they would have bought the players anyway and just paid the higher taxation cos, er, well, Minty Moonbeams was pure loaded and that. Oh, and liquidation was solely down to Craigy Boy. It's utterly ridiculous and defies all logic, the kind of thing that could be coming from Tedi or the crew, he's basically saying "we're Rangers and my dad is rich so he'd have bought me that new bike I wanted anyway" they'd have just borrowed it from the bank and then Daddy Murray would have underwritten the debt as he did so "successfully" the last time, all nicely covered up by the smell of succulent, succulent lamb. I think it's some sort of concerted campaign to try to discredit the SPL hearings because they all know they're going to be found guilty of breaking the rules. With statements like this they're taking the dog whistle bollocks to a whole new low, they know that anyone with a brain will see through it, so they're appealing to the knuckle dragging bigoted thugs, who by now are totally wound up into a state of paranoia that the entire country is bigoted against them for their success and the fact that they arra peepul, to keep the cash flowing and drown out any message that the history is a) gone, b) tainted, and that, for at least a portion of their glory years, they cheated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 It's utterly ridiculous and defies all logic, the kind of thing that could be coming from Tedi or the crew, he's basically saying "we're Rangers and my dad is rich so he'd have bought me that new bike I wanted anyway" they'd have just borrowed it from the bank and then Daddy Murray would have underwritten the debt as he did so "successfully" the last time, all nicely covered up by the smell of succulent, succulent lamb. I think it's some sort of concerted campaign to try to discredit the SPL hearings because they all know they're going to be found guilty of breaking the rules. With statements like this they're taking the dog whistle bollocks to a whole new low, they know that anyone with a brain will see through it, so they're appealing to the knuckle dragging bigoted thugs, who by now are totally wound up into a state of paranoia that the entire country is bigoted against them for their success and the fact that they arra peepul, to keep the cash flowing and drown out any message that the history is a) gone, b) tainted, and that, for at least a portion of their glory years, they cheated. Leave them alone, they've argued the "we've been found guilty of nothing yet" point to the bitter end and now they have to find a new line before they are found guilty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ribzanelli Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 (edited) Tax verdict due in October Edited September 12, 2012 by ribzanelli 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doink Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://leggoland2.blogspot.co.uk/ Never read Leggo for a while so i popped back in today.Dave is in fine voice,i need not have worried. Plots behind closed doors 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Tech/uefaorg/General/01/80/54/10/1805410_DOWNLOAD.pdf Article 12 – Definition of licence applicant1 A licence applicant may only be a football club, i.e. a legal entity fully responsible for a football team participating in national and international competitions which either: a) is a registered member of a UEFA member association and/or its affiliated league (hereinafter: registered member); or b) has a contractual relationship with a registered member (hereinafter: football company). 2 The membership and the contractual relationship (if any) must have lasted – at the start of the licence season – for at least three consecutive years. Any alteration to the club’s legal form or company structure (including, for example, changing its headquarters, name or club colours, or transferring stakeholdings between different clubs) during this period in order to facilitate its qualification on sporting merit and/or its receipt of a licence to the detriment of the integrity of a competition is deemed as an interruption of membership or contractual relationship (if any) within the meaning of this provision. I think we have the answer chaps. UEFA's definition of a football club. "A legal entity fully responsible for a football team ." RFC 2012 PLC were the legal entity fully responsible for the football team, RFC 2012 sold their assets to Sevco 5008 but they did NOT sell the football team to Sevco 5088, see Allan McGregor. RFC 2012 still exist but the football team they were responsible for are now dead, sure some of them transferred to Sevco but that was a player choice and not a team. The legal entity which was responsible for Rangers the team will be dead soon enough but not before body has been mutilated. Black and white, UEFA's rules, UEFA's definition of a club, I hope that this will satisfy those looking for an official football source for the death certificate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnforever1992 Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Well after AJ's outburst thats the truth we got out for this case today, let the title stripping commence! Ha fucking ha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 http://leggoland2.blogspot.co.uk/ Never read Leggo for a while so i popped back in today.Dave is in fine voice,i need not have worried. Plots behind closed doors I love the use of the phrase ''Celtic lawyers" Safe to say they can no longer call us paranoid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Isn't Green full of it today “@STVRaman: Like him or loathe him, Charles Green is tremendous copy... regarding freezing prices for Rangers league cup tie against Motherwell he said:” “@STVRaman: ''I would like to make it a fantastic evening for Motherwell fans, or indeed fans from other SPL clubs..to remember what they are missing.''” 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 12, 2012 Share Posted September 12, 2012 Isn't Green full of it today "@STVRaman: Like him or loathe him, Charles Green is tremendous copy... regarding freezing prices for Rangers league cup tie against Motherwell he said:" "@STVRaman: ''I would like to make it a fantastic evening for Motherwell fans, or indeed fans from other SPL clubs..to remember what they are missing.''" Pity the well fans are boycotting it -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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