The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 minute ago, stonedsailor said: The 3 year rule is about membership of your home FA. Rangers have not been members of their home FA for 3 years. I'm assuming that " Any alteration to ...company structure" is the relevant part then and 3 years of accounts is the evidence base for this. Clearly, as we've the same SFA license, we do have membership going back more than 3 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Cqn and a / , plus the return of Norman Yay us. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'm assuming that " Any alteration to ...company structure" is the relevant part then and 3 years of accounts is the evidence base for this. Clearly, as we've the same SFA license, we do have membership going back more than 3 years. No. Your SFA licence is a "silver" licence this year. It was "entry" last year. If you read the UEFA reply, as posted by CQN, it is quite clear that no action was taken against Rangers as they were a new club/company in comparison to the club/company which folded after administration. Go and look into this. You are obviously misinformed if you were under the impression that accounts had anything to do with this. The relevant part is that the club/company had to have had a contractual relationship or membership of the SFA for three years and the club/company that is Rangers were not a member, nor had they contractual relationships, with the SFA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, stonedsailor said: No. Your SFA licence is a "silver" licence this year. It was "entry" last year. I wasn't aware that there were different colours of domestic licenses. We also both agree that our new company has the same license as the old one. My assumption was the there needed to be 3 years of audited accounts but, as I said, I'm perfectly happy for our change of corporate structure to be the reason. Again, noting to see here, really. If you're trying to argue we've been SFA members for a short number of years then you've a lot of work to do to make a case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, MoshiniBellend said: Has anyone laid eyes on this "same original licence" with the name and date on it? Charles Green bought it along with our history, I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I wasn't aware that there were different colours of domestic licenses. We also both agree that our new company has the same license as the old one. My assumption was the there needed to be 3 years of audited accounts but, as I said, I'm perfectly happy for our change of corporate structure to be the reason. Again, noting to see here, really. If you're trying to argue we've been SFA members for a short number of years then you've a lot of work to do to make a case. So. That definition of what a club/company is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 What about it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Fitlike Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I wasn't aware that there were different colours of domestic licenses. We also both agree that our new company has the same license as the old one. My assumption was the there needed to be 3 years of audited accounts but, as I said, I'm perfectly happy for our change of corporate structure to be the reason. Again, noting to see here, really. If you're trying to argue we've been SFA members for a short number of years then you've a lot of work to do to make a case. go on, say it.... you secretly want come out and say it..........'new club' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, Ken Fitlike said: go on, say it.... you secretly want come out and say it..........'new club' I'll say 'new club' when posters on here stop treating us like the old club. Deal? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 I'll say 'new club' when posters on here stop treating us like the old club. Deal? See if you could define club for us it would be helpful.You use words like "we" and "us" when referring to the club. What is your relationship to the club? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulliamwallace Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Oldco are still sitting in liquidation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weirdcal Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Back to the dave king email.. i thought he was chairman of the holding company not the club. I thought the holding company was the rangers international football club (TRIFC) whilst the club is TRFC. IIRC TRFC owe TRIFC a lot of money (in the accounts i think)? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, stonedsailor said: See if you could define club for us it would be helpful. How would that progress any discussion? We all know we're the same club and the behaviour of you diddies towards us is simply icing on the cake. I used 'we' again as fans are, of course, part of a club's ecosystem. 1 hour ago, MoshiniBellend said: You already said "new club", you just don't realise it. You're being daft now, Dhens. Edited July 11, 2016 by The_Kincardine 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 1 minute ago, MoshiniBellend said: The club/legal entity is the company. Now you're adding your own 'slash', Dhen, and came up with a sentence that absolutely no one understands. You're not suggesting that a club and its associated company registration number are coterminous, Shirley? That would be a perverse argument to hold simply to try and prove we're a new club. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MoshiniBellend said: As Stoney said it might simplify matters if you clearly define the interpretation of club you are using for your assumptions, It's clearly not the definition contained within Scottish Law or UEFA rules/regulations. How does Scots Law define a football club? I'll edit this post rather than reply to your next point....so may I assume that Celtic's history has a one to one mapping with its company registration? Edited July 11, 2016 by The_Kincardine -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sting777 Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 We are all missing the main point.....Wherz Nacho?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 How does Scots Law define a football club? I'll edit this post rather than reply to your next point....so may I assume that Celtic's history has a one to one mapping with its company registration? The financial fair play rules came into force in 2011. Anything prior to that is moot due to the difference in the rules. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 2 minutes ago, MoshiniBellend said: Scots Law courts recognise a club has to be a legal entity to conduct business, unless the club is an unincorporated association, and any suggestion otherwise has been thoroughly ridiculed. Someone should commission a legal beagle to have an opinion on this. Maybe someone with impeccable credentials. Perhaps a former Senator of the College of Justice, a judge of the Supreme Courts of Scotland, sitting in the High Court of Justiciary and the Inner House of the Court of Session. Wouldn't it be bizarre if said renown expert said something like, "While there can be no question of subjecting the new owner and operator to sanctions, there are sanctions which could be imposed in terms of the Rules which are capable of affecting the Club as a continuing entity (even though not an entity with legal personality), and which thus might affect the interest of the new owner and operator in it.” I have no doubt, if such a statement was ever to be made, that every diddy would agree that the club and company are not the same thing. I live in hope. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Just now, stonedsailor said: The financial fair play rules came into force in 2011. Anything prior to that is moot due to the difference in the rules. So may I assume that Celtic's history has a one to one mapping with its company registration? -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedsailor Posted July 11, 2016 Share Posted July 11, 2016 Someone should commission a legal beagle to have an opinion on this. Maybe someone with impeccable credentials. Perhaps a former Senator of the College of Justice, a judge of the Supreme Courts of Scotland, sitting in the High Court of Justiciary and the Inner House of the Court of Session. Wouldn't it be bizarre if said renown expert said something like, "While there can be no question of subjecting the new owner and operator to sanctions, there are sanctions which could be imposed in terms of the Rules which are capable of affecting the Club as a continuing entity (even though not an entity with legal personality), and which thus might affect the interest of the new owner and operator in it.” I have no doubt, if such a statement was ever to be made, that every diddy would agree that the club and company are not the same thing. I live in hope. UEFA trump the SFA. Sorry dude. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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