Dons_1988 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: Tbf mate I think dealing with issues regarding offensive behaviour and sectarianism slightly supersede any gripes you have over the fair split of revenues and how competitive our league is. Just my opinion of course Nice try. a few pages ago you were moaning that you wanted to get back to laughing at rangers, and the only opinion you’ve offered here is that your club and the other shouldn’t be singled out for punishment. So I will take your moral high ground with a large dollop of salt. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said: Nice try. a few pages ago you were moaning that you wanted to get back to laughing at rangers, and the only opinion you’ve offered here is that your club and the other shouldn’t be singled out for punishment. So I will take your moral high ground with a large dollop of salt. You haven’t read far enough back then as I’ve already said where this happens clubs should be docked points, forfeit their standing in cups or banned altogether along with fines that are severe but proportionate to their turnover so clubs where it happens more often or in bigger numbers then have a bigger reason to deal with it, quickly. But if you honestly think this issue is equally as important as addressing the financial imbalances in the league then you need to give that head a wobble mate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 1 minute ago, Jinky67 said: But if you honestly think this issue is equally as important as addressing the financial imbalances in the league then you need to give that head a wobble mate. You’re putting words in my mouth to deflect, I haven’t one said or implied this. But it’s a nice wee ploy. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy, which is very clear. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: You’re putting words in my mouth to deflect, I haven’t one said or implied this. But it’s a nice wee ploy. I merely pointed out the hypocrisy, which is very clear. You haven’t pointed out anything other than you being selective about what see as being fair and if you are hung up on me making a quip then yeah I did because I don’t think this is the correct thread for it to be debated in and it became a very clear and toxic attack on a few posters by people who also clearly have a significant blind spot. If you are keen to prolong that then fair enough but I’d rather take it somewhere where a real discussion and debate could happen. I’ve already said what I think should happen and repeated it for your benefit alone so you should be very clear on my feelings on it. Edited September 15, 2023 by Jinky67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: You haven’t pointed out anything other than you being selective about what see as being fair and if you are hung up on me making a quip then yeah I did because I don’t think this is the correct thread for it to be debated in and it became a very clear and toxic attack on a few posters by people who also clearly have a significant blind spot. If you are keen to prolong that then fair enough but I’d rather take it somewhere where a real discussion and debate could happen. I’ve already said what I think should happen and repeated it for your benefit alone so you should be very clear on my feelings on it. You’re all over the place. Read the thread to get my actual views then calm down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: You’re all over the place. Read the thread to get my actual views then calm down. Bit ironic that mate considering i had already detailed what it actually means and you just didn’t read it and the fact we have been down this road before and only one of us really needed to calm down Nice try though but you don’t have the talent nor do I value your opinion enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: Bit ironic that mate considering i had already detailed what it actually means and you just didn’t read it and the fact we have been down this road before and only one of us really needed to calm down Nice try though but you don’t have the talent nor do I value your opinion enough You obviously do value his opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Just now, bennett said: You obviously do value his opinion. You might want to read the sentence again Benny however I’ll help you by pointing out the key word in there is enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Another thing, and I get that Falkirk are very very smol, but leaving g aside "challenge drunk idiot in the stands", there are things you can do if you want the club to address the issues. Falkirk have on various occasions in the past, reacted to social media noise as a club. I suspect, they have even reacted to chatter on P&B. I have emailed the club about things before and shared my correspondence on herd. I have less reach than most tbh as I don't use other social media, but still. It'd also disingenuous to suggest there's nothing that can be done. If the right thinking fans exist in the numbers we are told, why are the perma-minter Onion Bears the only organised group we ever really see or hear from? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 14 minutes ago, Jinky67 said: Bit ironic that mate considering i had already detailed what it actually means and you just didn’t read it and the fact we have been down this road before and only one of us really needed to calm down Nice try though but you don’t have the talent nor do I value your opinion enough When you resort to bringing up an occasion where I apologised and said there was other stuff going on then I’ll take that as you throwing in the towel. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Another thing, and I get that Falkirk are very very smol, but leaving g aside "challenge drunk idiot in the stands", there are things you can do if you want the club to address the issues. We should all hold up red cards. Bigots HATE being sent off. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky67 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: When you resort to bringing up an occasion where I apologised and said there was other stuff going on then I’ll take that as you throwing in the towel. Behave yourself Edited September 15, 2023 by Jinky67 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RandomGuy. Posted September 15, 2023 Popular Post Share Posted September 15, 2023 Celtic fans crippling inability to not take personal offence to anything directed at their club, and resultant defensiveness about it, really is a major reason Rangers can continue to be bigoted agains them too. Any push from Scottish football fans as a whole to tackle bigotry, by starting at the two biggest, most high profile, groups involved ends up in a whataboutery fest where you spend longer trying to explain Celtic can be in the wrong but also be victims than you do trying to implement any campaign to stop it. Every single time its brought up on here you get the same routine. 1. "Rangers need to get rid of bigotry from their support" 2. Rangers fans - "we're not all bigoted, it's a minority" 3. "Even so, you need to do something to stop it. Rangers and Celtic both promote their side of it as part of the "brand"" 4. OF fans - "Actually, its a problem with society as a whole you know" 5. "Well why does that stop you doing anything to prevent it at your own clubs?" 6. OF fans - "Do you stop it at your club? Its just because you hate us its coming up" 7. "What? We just think fans of these clubs are best placed to pressure their clubs into stopping" 8. Celtic fans - "We dont actually have an issue, we're victims here yet you wont leave us alone" 9. "I give up" And repeat every 6 months. 24 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Celtic fans crippling inability to not take personal offence to anything directed at their club, and resultant defensiveness about it, really is a major reason Rangers can continue to be bigoted agains them too. Any push from Scottish football fans as a whole to tackle bigotry, by starting at the two biggest, most high profile, groups involved ends up in a whataboutery fest where you spend longer trying to explain Celtic can be in the wrong but also be victims than you do trying to implement any campaign to stop it. Every single time its brought up on here you get the same routine. 1. "Rangers need to get rid of bigotry from their support" 2. Rangers fans - "we're not all bigoted, it's a minority" 3. "Even so, you need to do something to stop it. Rangers and Celtic both promote their side of it as part of the "brand"" 4. OF fans - "Actually, its a problem with society as a whole you know" 5. "Well why does that stop you doing anything to prevent it at your own clubs?" 6. OF fans - "Do you stop it at your club? Its just because you hate us its coming up" 7. "What? We just think fans of these clubs are best placed to pressure their clubs into stopping" 8. Celtic fans - "We dont actually have an issue, we're victims here yet you wont leave us alone" 9. "I give up" And repeat every 6 months. You can't forget the Magees of this world popping up with their armchair legal training, furiously pointing at the word "sectarian" and demanding that you specify the exact lyrics that meet their imaginary burden of proof 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 21 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: Celtic fans crippling inability to not take personal offence to anything directed at their club, and resultant defensiveness about it, really is a major reason Rangers can continue to be bigoted agains them too. Any push from Scottish football fans as a whole to tackle bigotry, by starting at the two biggest, most high profile, groups involved ends up in a whataboutery fest where you spend longer trying to explain Celtic can be in the wrong but also be victims than you do trying to implement any campaign to stop it. Every single time its brought up on here you get the same routine. 1. "Rangers need to get rid of bigotry from their support" 2. Rangers fans - "we're not all bigoted, it's a minority" 3. "Even so, you need to do something to stop it. Rangers and Celtic both promote their side of it as part of the "brand"" 4. OF fans - "Actually, its a problem with society as a whole you know" 5. "Well why does that stop you doing anything to prevent it at your own clubs?" 6. OF fans - "Do you stop it at your club? Its just because you hate us its coming up" 7. "What? We just think fans of these clubs are best placed to pressure their clubs into stopping" 8. Celtic fans - "We dont actually have an issue, we're victims here yet you wont leave us alone" 9. "I give up" And repeat every 6 months. Which is why both clubs need to spearhead any efforts to eradicate sectarianism together, otherwise it won't work. There is an issue with the other clubs but if the old firm clean up their act first then that should sort itself out. You're basically preaching to the converted. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Blades Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 Some really fantastic points made in the last few pages. I’m not of the Vincent persuasion where every Rangers fan should be reviled, I’ve got a couple of Rangers supporting mates, likewise & to a lesser extent my two best mates are Celtic fans (STs for over 25 years) and more decent human beings I couldn’t really hope to meet, but when it comes to their club, the hackles are up, there are certain Tifos that they have found embarrassing & condemned without prompting by me, but in general they see their club as victims in all this, not part of the instigation. Tbf, they both left a CSC when they started playing rebel tapes on the bus & decided to travel by car instead of listening to that, especially as there were a few kids on the bus. So I guess I’m saying I reject that all Rangers / Celtic fans are bigots / apologists. That said, they are both a stain on our game & if the boards - I include Celtic in this, wanted to get rid of that element of the support, they could do it very easily, Sectarian singing from a section of the ground? Entire section closed for next game. Persistence- lose your ST & banned from ground, the “majority” would certainly take the “minority” to task, would take about 6 months for it to be eradicated from both grounds, but it’s not in their interest financially. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 18 hours ago, GTee said: Why do Rangers have military days and a picture of the Queen in the dressing room. Can't see any relevance to football with that. Clearly for the minority to enjoy. It's now the King. Do keep up. I don't care personally, but no doubt the Sevco bigots will think your indifference to royal family matters marks you out as a ****** B******. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 4 hours ago, Jinky67 said: Bit ironic that mate considering i had already detailed what it actually means and you just didn’t read it and the fact we have been down this road before and only one of us really needed to calm down Nice try though but you don’t have the talent nor do I value your opinion enough Yawns_1988 with his selective reading as usual. His valiant fight against social injustice isn’t good for his blood pressure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 15 minutes ago, Greenlantern said: Yawns_1988 with his selective reading as usual. His valiant fight against social injustice isn’t good for his blood pressure. Still raging that I spoke ill of Brendan and his ‘morality police’ nonsense. Outstanding. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Other Foot Posted September 15, 2023 Share Posted September 15, 2023 I really don’t get Old Firm fans’ steadfast refusal to accept criticism of their clubs. I am an avid believer in criticising your own club, and indeed, probably hate Hibs more than any other entity on the planet. Still support them though, because I am a complete idiot. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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