craigkillie Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I love how a large section of SFL fans think their clubs are innocent parties in these decisions, even though their votes will be needed to push anything through. It's also amusing how they think that only SPL clubs make decisions out of financial self-interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Splitting into mini leagues of 8 is laughable, halfway through a season and your season could be over depending on how it turns out. 16 or 18 makes more sense. With 16 or 18 your season could be over half way through, too, and often was in the "old days". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clayhole Blue Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 You're on another planet if you think football hasn't felt a pinch in the last few years. It has, but as Jagsman stated clubs continue to overspend. The problem is that we compare our player budgets with clubs in England and other countries. We should really be comparing them with the amount of money which is coming into clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think the 12 12 18 is one of the best options out there, it'll be the nuts and bolts that decide whether it's good thing for Scottish football. The 4 SFL 1 teams could be carrying large travelling supports to these games while they're still in contention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Is there any word of Pyramid system,winter break,summer football,or is that all forgotten already?? This league split carry on is shambolic and an embarrassment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 There must presumably be a short winter break, like just now, to catch-up postponements before the split at 22 games. How's a split "embarrassing", though? When you think about Israeli, Greek or Belgian football, is your reaction "how embarrasing"? Did you think that about Turkey or Russia last season? Or Austrian, Swiss, Spanish football in decades past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derbydan Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 There must presumably be a short winter break, like just now, to catch-up postponements before the split at 22 games. How's a split "embarrassing", though? When you think about Israeli, Greek or Belgian football, is your reaction "how embarrasing"? Did you think that about Turkey or Russia last season? Or Austrian, Swiss, Spanish football in decades past? I think the top six split is nonsense now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caley D Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The problem with "fan discussion" is that they aren't giving us enough information upon which to base a truly educated opinion and statements like Longmuirs yesterday about fans not being able to grasp it only exacerbate the situation and automatically turn fans off and diminish support. Maybe if they gave us more details about the financial pros and cons of each option, how money would be split, how the leagues would be marketed etc. then fans wouldn't feel so left out in the cold about the decisions being made. As well as generating further understanding, it might also increase "buy-in" and support......in other words, real and meaningful fan engagement. For me, we're at the stage where we have to try something different because the status quo is stale and unappealing....and if larger top league can't be agreed upon, then I'll (reluctantly) suck it and see with the 12-12 to 8-8-8 idea. I don't have enough info to make an educated decision on how good, bad or indifferent it will be and neither do most others on here....we can only guess at it....but it can't be much worse than the situation we have now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Thompson Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 It has, but as Jagsman stated clubs continue to overspend. The problem is that we compare our player budgets with clubs in England and other countries. We should really be comparing them with the amount of money which is coming into clubs. But we dont exist in a bubble. Im all for clubs spending within their means, but the reality is they are competing with England and other countries for players. Is there any word of Pyramid system,winter break,summer football,or is that all forgotten already?? This league split carry on is shambolic and an embarrassment! Is there really that much of a demand outside of the SFL for a pyramid system? I dont see the point of winter breaks, particularly, as the weather is so unpredictable. Im not convinced by summer football either. People already have ways of spending their time in the summer, losing the festive fixtures would be a nightmare and theres no real evidence to suggest crowds would go up. Much like the "tinkering" approach to reconstruction, why would moving the season a few months either way bring about sudden increases in attendances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodedClaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Oh for the simplicity of a big league playing all other teams once home and once away. like the third tier is about to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Oh for the simplicity of a big league playing all other teams once home and once away. like the third tier is about to get. Sounds boring, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagsman411971 Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 But we dont exist in a bubble. Im all for clubs spending within their means, but the reality is they are competing with England and other countries for players. That, is why we are in the state we are in. We have no right to even compare our league to the one down south. They have millions of pounds, and thousands of potential supporters, more than we have. Do the Dutch, Belgian, Austrian or Scandanavian leagues try to compete with the English, German, Spanish and Italian leagues? No, they dont. Instead they concentrate on their own league and their own players, knowing that if they produce good players, they can then sell them on to the bigger leagues. This in turn creates more money for them, as well as creating more interest in those leagues. The pathetic excuses that the SPL teams make, about not being able to afford players from the lower leagues in England, just dont cut it. If they spend the same amount of money on youth development as they do on 2nd rate foreigners, then they will probably end up with players that they could quite easily sell for a good profit. Its not rocket science, teams from the smaller European Leagues have been doing it for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodedClaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Sounds boring, tbh. Doesn't playing four times, then meeting in cups to make it six or seven times a season sound much more boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Sounds boring, tbh. It wasn't that bad, actually, despite the fact I've already posted the season could be over by Christmas. You only had 1 home game against everyone else, so you would make an effort to see the OF, Hearts, Hibs the local derbies, the Dons had 3 of these in the 60s, and any team who were on a good run, had signed a glamour "name" etc .Every season there was a new "wee" team getting promoted - and hammered - by everyone viz. East Stirling, Hamilton, Ayr United, Arbroath (although they didn't get hammered by us!), Cowdenbeath and so on. You also had the short, sharp, shock of the sectional league cup ties at the start of the season, with a league game oxtered into the middle, although, again, you could be out of that competition after 3 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Doesn't playing four times, then meeting in cups to make it six or seven times a season sound much more boring. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodedClaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Nope. Fans and even the players say it does, what do they matter though !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 Fans and even the players say it does, what do they matter though !! Some fans. And of course many players would far rather coast in 'meaningless mid-table' deadrubbers. Or hash some poor bottom-end dross, versus facing tougher opponents more frequently. Most people in any vocation would prefer an easier life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHoodedClaw Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The English system is far far superior, big leagues, lots of promotion and play off places. We are in the dark ages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The English system is in a nation with 10 times the population, dozens of times the TV money, more Euro slots, over 100 full-time clubs and many times as many clubs of comparable standards at each level. We are in Scotland. Sorted that for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 8, 2013 Share Posted January 8, 2013 The English system is far far superior, big leagues, lots of promotion and play off places. We are in the dark ages. Because the lower leagues in a England are a utopia of financial prudence and entertainment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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