xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The Jam line is every bit as tiresome as the be specific line. Every bit as banal as guns and butter. Incidentally, Ad Lib is right, it's not remotely legalistic to question anything with uses state as synonymous with nation. The nation state, with the very specific exception of Israel, is a dead concept, not least of all because of the EU, and the hegemonic structures he talks about. A support for independence has to be to do with deconstructing that hegemony, not by some Victorian concept of one nation conservatism, which is precisely what the idea of a nation state is.What? However, Jam Tomorrow is something that has a lot of precedent, so I see no issue with reminding people what happened last time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 What? Clearly beyond your comprehension. No surprises there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Clearly beyond your comprehension. No surprises there.I'm just a poor kid from tha ghetto, I don't follow all that airy fairy nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The Jam line is every bit as tiresome as the be specific line. Every bit as banal as guns and butter. Incidentally, Ad Lib is right, it's not remotely legalistic to question anything with uses state as synonymous with nation. The nation state, with the very specific exception of Israel, is a dead concept, not least of all because of the EU, and the hegemonic structures he talks about. A support for independence has to be to do with deconstructing that hegemony, not by some Victorian concept of one nation conservatism, which is precisely what the idea of a nation state is. 10/10 for effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 German elections coming up relatively soon,the German people won't like the look of a possible independent Scotland as they are sick of giving their hard earned away to seriously struggling European states.Scotland represents a another potential struggling European state.Scotland will just piss everybody off.Salmond and Co will lead Scotland towards the Euro which will be a pathetic joke.North south ,south north business on the islands will drop by a large percentage.The English will not want to know another silly republic using silly money. Celtic and Rangers will not be welcomed in England from an independent Scotland,so the hundreds of thousands of OF 'fans' who fancy playing in England ought to consider this. Scotland is stronger with England and Wales. British culture is rich,Scotland is a more interesting place as Scotland and Britian,as are Wales and England. The Rep of Ire has become another squad member European state,just another little nodding dog to Berlin. Struggling,sold it's soul to the tourist trade oh and the place is frankly b o r i n g. The Scottish people have too much to lose by following a bunch of bitter anti English republicans along the road to Berlin. An independent Scotland will not be able to shake off 300 years of Union with England and Wales because you are British. So,you're a little bit fed up ay.No reason to run away to Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I stopped here.To be fair, they won't. This is because the nation state, with the very specific exception of Israel, is a dead concept. Apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 A large percentage of German people are sick to death of their hard earned going towards propping up useless European states.This is what Scotland will represent should they choose to become another unwelcome European state. The number one state in Europe will not want you and you'll just piss everyone off. 'Scotland the irritable'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 A large percentage of German people are sick to death of their hard earned going towards propping up useless European states.This is what Scotland will represent should they choose to become another unwelcome European state. The number one state in Europe will not want you and you'll just piss everyone off. 'Scotland the irritable'! It is beginning to dawn on Germans that they are paying to prop up failed states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Missed this bit, got a link ? GERS report, Scotland requires seven billion quid on a good year to fund its spending gap. It doesn't pay it's own way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Missed this bit, got a link ?Google something like 'German public opinion on Europe' and you'll see (as you know full well) that a large percentage of Germans are sick of their hard earned going to failing European states. An independent Scotland represents another potential failing European state,which will mean the German people paying out to you lot who no doubt will be ungrateful Scotland,potentially the IBS of the German led Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It is beginning to dawn on Germans that they are paying to prop up failed states. Absolutely.Millions have had enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Have you any quotes from Merkel, Westerwelle, Schaueble or any member of the German cabinet saying this at all? And be specific (boom tish). You used to be such a nice poster deegas. Started off with couthy wee posts that it would be a shame if Scotland left, like something out the famous five. Now this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 some random pish...a bit more pish etc etc I dont get this argument, one minute "the Germans" like poor Euro nations so they can dominate and take over Europe...its always different when it comes to Scotland, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Google something like 'German public opinion on Europe' and you'll see (as you know full well) that a large percentage of Germans are sick of their hard earned going to failing European states. An independent Scotland represents another potential failing European state,which will mean the German people paying out to you lot who no doubt will be ungrateful Scotland,potentially the IBS of the German led Europe. Yet again negativity. You are second guessing a whole nation. My german friends have said "Scots should be independant" I will gauge german opinion from them instead of your assumptions. Please quote who in germany has said scotland is or will be a failed state. Because you have made that up in your own head, I will not take anything you add to this debate as cedible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivo den Bieman Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I cant believe this trolling cretin is still getting bites, from people taking him seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Have you any quotes from Merkel, Westerwelle, Schaueble or any member of the German cabinet saying this at all? And be specific (boom tish). You used to be such a nice poster deegas. Started off with couthy wee posts that it would be a shame if Scotland left, like something out the famous five. Now this..... When in Rome pal,when in Rome..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I dont get this argument, one minute "the Germans" like poor Euro nations so they can dominate and take over Europe...its always different when it comes to Scotland, The expense to the German tax payer has caught up with em and therefore caught up with little Scotland republicans too..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yet again negativity. You are second guessing a whole nation. My german friends have said "Scots should be independant" I will gauge german opinion from them instead of your assumptions. Please quote who in germany has said scotland is or will be a failed state. Because you have made that up in your own head, I will not take anything you add to this debate as cedible. Millions of Germans will see Scotland as another scrounging bunch to be paid for. Check out the German public mood.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It is beginning to dawn on Germans that they are paying to prop up failed states. it's the least they can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I cant believe this trolling cretin is still getting bites, from people taking him seriously.Which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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