DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Berlin and Co and for that matter the rest of the world are far more likely to take Scotland seriously when they are part of a British Union. Together we work better,it's obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I see Better Thegither were stil handing out the leaflets warning of the loss of AAA status this weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speckled tangerine Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I see Better Thegither were stil handing out the leaflets warning of the loss of AAA status this weekend. Shame that. It's a right of all true music fans to be able to get backstage and hang with their favourite bands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I see Better Thegither were stil handing out the leaflets warning of the loss of AAA status this weekend. Still? Did they order a batch of 3 million or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Still? Did they order a batch of 3 million or something? They are now officially lying. Although that's no great surprise.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I see Better Thegither were stil handing out the leaflets warning of the loss of AAA status this weekend. This is April 1st. That's the only explanation. Speaking of which: Welfare system reforms are fair, says Iain Duncan Smith http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21991953 Can't fool me BBC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Deegas, you disrespectfully describe Scotland as a basket case failed state. Is that what 300 years of glorious union has done for Scotland? And now the Jerries are going to what? Invade us? Start shouting? What? Oil, energy and foodstuff rich Scotland will be just fine and will get along dandy with all our european neighbours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assasinach Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 s'funny how these con/dems are allowed to spout this crap about these benefit cuts are about encouraging people to work without our so-called journos pulling them up. firstly the jobs aren't there, and an ever increasing cheap labour market are competing for those that are. most pertinent is the fact that the unemployment benefit bill, JSA, is dwarfed by the Working Tax Credit bill to the tune of £5bn to £40+bn. This means we're subsidizing businesses that wont pay a living wage to a factor 8x that of unemployment. Alot of these employers not paying a living wage will be the same corporations with obscene levels of pay at the top and minimum wages (or phuck all wages in some cases) for most others. Mainstream Media is as much to blame as the kunting politicoes and their corporate masters. ( i know there is the odd exception, but it says everything that if a journo does his job like the fella questioning Boris johnson last week, it becomes a news story itself) We've got a zombie economy and we know who made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm starting to think that I might vote Yes now. Reasoning is that if we're stuck with shitey second rate politicians like Labour then we can't complain. Better to have tried the unknown than be stuck with rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xbl Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I'm starting to think that I might vote Yes now. Reasoning is that if we're stuck with shitey second rate politicians like Labour then we can't complain. Better to have tried the unknown than be stuck with rubbish. In all honesty, I think that is a fairly decent reason. If what we have is utter shit, then why not take a chance on something that is possibly utter shit, or possibly better. It isn't a gamble in the slightest in my view. Worst case scenario, not much changes, so we may as well take a shot at it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Sometimes this independence debate gets pulled in all sorts of obscure directions, so lets just remember the basics. Scotland has the chance to become a more fair and just society, lets not waste that chance. we also recognise that we need independence because, to quote Cameron himself, ‘Britain is broken’. We don’t want to wake up to many more mornings like this one. clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Had a laugh at this picture earlier, not sure if its already been posted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sons superhero Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Millions of Germans will see Scotland as another scrounging bunch to be paid for. Check out the German public mood.... Thoughts and ramblings of an imbecile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.Bojangles Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 It's funny how the EU seems desperate to get Norway in, yet they're going to exclude Scotland because Greece has a messed up economy. Perfect sense. In fact, we should probably just join the EFTA for a few years to see how many hoops we can get the EU will jump through to appeal to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 The nation state, with the very specific exception of Israel, And North Korea. And South Korea. And Japan. And Albania. And several others. Why counterfactually single out Israel here? What is your motivation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Yes, it is. It's an ethnically homogenous state whose constitution provides for the state deriving its authority from the Japanese people (as opposed to the people of Japan.) It naturalization and birth-citizenship laws are heavily, heavily weighted towards the Japanese nation. It's as clear an example as a nation state you'll find outside of the Koreas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 So our resident expert s believe that Scotland is a state and Japan (and Korea)is a nation state. Thankfully neither of those two have anything to do with the yes campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swampy Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 So our resident expert s believe that Scotland is a state and Japan (and Korea)is a nation state. Thankfully neither of those two have anything to do with the yes campaign. I never said Scotland is a state. You're lumping my views in with someone else's. Both of the Koreas and Japan are nation-states. In Japan's case, the one you disputed, I've explained why. I'd love to hear why your views differ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeGas Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 I just enjoyed watching Adi Edmondson driving around Wales,checking out their food and a spot of dancing.Welsh culture,very much alive within the British family.It's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted April 1, 2013 Share Posted April 1, 2013 Experts. Plural. I'm on my phone which for some reason won't let me quote, apologies if I didn't make that clear. I think you have a very top down definition of nation states, which implies a passive, placated people who totally buy into the concept. The truth, particularly in Japan, is that there are swathes of the population who buy into the state not one iota more than you buy into the concept of a one nation conservative Westminster. The ainu separatist movement, for example. This includes the mainland, as well as the "disputed territories." The point is, in every case of where the concept of a nation exists within a constitution, it is directly challenged and often results in instability of government. With regards to Korea, you have more of a point. Actually, in between sarcasm and abuse, XBL has reiterated what I think is one of the stronger arguments of independence: as individuals, things can't really get worse. The worst case scenario is that things stay pretty much as they are, only without the influence in the EU/UN. Which is why it surprises me to hear him argue that because Scotland is a nation (which it is) it should become a state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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