Bloomogganners Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 It will give off wrong signals to the younger and lesser educated amongst us with regards to the short term and long term risks Should alcohol companies be allowed to advertise or sponsor sports events if this is an issue? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 i understand what you are saying but i still don't think there will be any gain in making it legal, more people will try it if they know its legal which can lead to taking other substances that are more harmful. It won't bother me personally its just my stance on the situation. Alcohol has always been legal, it definitely is an awful thing in itself when abused i agree but most people take a drink and the effects of it are common knowledge. Most parents can advise their kids as they will have been there themselves but weed is a far less sociable drug that is more frowned upon by society at large You said yourself that the people who do it can get their hands on it anyway. Why do you also think that the people who don't do it now will suddenly be queuing up to try it if it were made legal? Surely if these people wanted to do it they could get their hands on it, as you pointed out? Weed is frowned upon because the information broadly given on it by politicians etc. is incorrect (see your weed is an unsociable drug point above). It's far less harmful than alcohol and the fact that alcohol's "always been legal" isn't a justification for keeping it legal. You're highlighting an education issue here more than fighting against weed being legal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 i understand what you are saying but i still don't think there will be any gain in making it legal, more people will try it if they know its legal which can lead to taking other substances that are more harmful. It won't bother me personally its just my stance on the situation. Alcohol has always been legal, it definitely is an awful thing in itself when abused i agree but most people take a drink and the effects of it are common knowledge. Most parents can advise their kids as they will have been there themselves but weed is a far less sociable drug that is more frowned upon by society at large Cannabis was legal up till 1928. Break the link with other illegal drugs that are more harmfull. I don't smoke it myself, tried it a couple of times, prefered getting mad with it on Billy or acid in me younger days. Here's some stats, notice which illegal drug is not listed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurph Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Right, so your case against weed is that you didn't like the high you got from it? I don't like Strongbow. BAN IT!!!!!1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 ^ Thats fair enough, although just because it doesn't kill anyone doesn't mean theres no harm in it plus, weed is the sort of thing that leads to more harmful things but yet again so does alcohol To be completely honest i have no invested interest in the matter one bit although its of my opinion it shouldn't be made legal and I'm arguing my case because I'm off ill today and have nothing better to do I have smoked weed a few times but the first drugs i took were coke MDMA and pills so you can imagine what a disappointment weed was. Just made me tired lazy and paranoid,i prefer a thrill ! This film is about Heroin mate, I realise thread about cannabis but film does make many points that are relevant. If you got the time watch it if not, all the best to you, will agree to disagree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 ^ Thats fair enough, although just because it doesn't kill anyone doesn't mean theres no harm in it plus, weed is the sort of thing that leads to more harmful things but yet again so does alcohol To be completely honest i have no invested interest in the matter one bit although its of my opinion it shouldn't be made legal and I'm arguing my case because I'm off ill today and have nothing better to do I have smoked weed a few times but the first drugs i took were coke MDMA and pills so you can imagine what a disappointment weed was. Just made me tired lazy and paranoid,i prefer a thrill ! So, in your own experience, the point you're arguing doesn't even stand for yourself? Also, weed not causing death is absolutely an argument for it to be made legal, especially when other legal drugs cause far more harm to society. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diddely-do Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Cant see it ever being made legal in the UK It will be. And future generations will laugh at us for being thick enough to ban it for this long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 No i suppose not but it has been the case for a lot of people i was at school with who started smoking weed then got into coke etc - i went for the class a's first because alcohol wasn't enough and i would find myself dis interested in people around me when i was drinking. Weed never appealed to me and probably never will. I just don't see why it should be made legal when there are more important matters at hand in this current time. Cant see it ever being made legal in the UK Such as a fucked economy/country in recession? If only there was a billion(s) pound industry the government could take over, tax and make money off of... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11thHour Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 If/when weed becomes legal I'm definitely starting my own munchie delivery service. I'll be fucking rich like an astronaut. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie's Pigeon Feed Posted October 28, 2013 Author Share Posted October 28, 2013 Way to opt out of sensible debate Your 'debate' was predictably laughable as evidenced by all of yours posts since. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Isn't it quite interesting how everyone who is against drug legalisation - and tacitly for the war on drugs - admits they don't know a lot about the topic and it's "just their opinion". Well, yah, because if you did know about it - that would not be your opinion. My contribution to this thread has been terrific, incredibly specific and relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast_Tim Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 There isn't a single sensible argument for it to remain illegal. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 Away and smoke a bong then you hippy So, are you aware how utterly out your depth you are here? If you're not, might be a good idea for you to read this thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloomogganners Posted October 28, 2013 Share Posted October 28, 2013 There isn't a single sensible argument for it to remain illegal. Oh I don't know Supras recent posts maybe swaying me to keep the status quo, don't think as a society we are mature enough to cope now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Oh I don't know Supras recent posts maybe swaying me to keep the status quo, don't think as a society we are mature enough to cope now. Which posts are swaying you? Be specific. Im merely having a giraffe keep your hair on I don't particularly care if it gets legalised or not i just thought i would add a pretty common opinion and i got some pretty hostile responses It's common because of lack of education. This thread can educate you. But, on the whole, supporting the war on drugs - whilst based on ignorance - is still a wholly irresponsible viewpoint from a moral and ethical perspective. This deserves to be pointed out. Thankfully enthusiastic proponents of the war on drugs - or status quo - are actually extremely difficult to find. Nobody who understands the policy supports it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thistle_do_nicely Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Isn't it quite interesting how everyone who is against drug legalisation - and tacitly for the war on drugs - admits they don't know a lot about the topic and it's "just their opinion". Well, yah, because if you did know about it - that would not be your opinion. My contribution to this thread has been terrific, incredibly specific and relevant. Weirdly, I've never really been all that clued up on the facts and figures for legalisation of cannabis, but its something that I've always been in favour of. It just seems like common sense to me - why bother spending vast sums of money fighting a drugs war to prohibit something which causes little to no harm, to individuals or property, with the obvious hypocrisy of alcohol being legal despite having far more potential for misuse? Like they say in the wire, calling it a "War on Drugs" is a bit of a misnomer - wars end. For me, the only grey area would be age restrictions - I *think* (and I'm happy to be corrected on this) that there is evidence that cannabis/marijuana can have a negative impact on younger smokers (edit: and when I say evidence, I'm not talking the bullshit kind of study paid for by anti-drugs lobbyists but evidence that is actually impartial), but once you're past 18/19 you can smoke it with no harm. Edited October 29, 2013 by Thistle_do_nicely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 The onus in these debates is, usually, why drugs should be legalised. A case I a more than happy to forward in a comprehensive manner. What should happen more is the onus put on those who oppose legalisation to say precisely why drug users should be imprisoned, and what moral justification they have for criminalising the crime of consumption. Can marijuana be harmful when consumed in excessive quantities? Yes, although not nearly as harmful as when consuming alcohol in excessive quantities, or paracetamol in excessive quantities, or even caffeine in excessive quantities. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 No way should it be legalised. Absolutely not. There are no health, financial or social benefits to its legalisation. Other than some folks who smoke it ilklegally hoping to rid their conscience of the fact they're committing a crime and supporting an illegal drug industry, nobody wants it. Yes, weed heads, think of that. You might only be buying marijuana, but your seller is selling more and you're keeping him in business. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 No way should it be legalised. Absolutely not. There are no health, financial or social benefits to its legalisation. Other than some folks who smoke it ilklegally hoping to rid their conscience of the fact they're committing a crime and supporting an illegal drug industry, nobody wants it. Yes, weed heads, think of that. You might only be buying marijuana, but your seller is selling more and you're keeping him in business. Uhuh, except legalisation would significantly diminish this illegal drug industry. Pity you couldn't even get that right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Uhuh, except legalisation would significantly diminish this illegal drug industry. Pity you couldn't even get that right. How would it? You just create a generation of more people on marijuana who might wish to take things further with other drugs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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