The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Henke said: Its not my faith you're insulting so I'm kinda neautral looking in at it,I just don't think its normal behaviour it seems so hate filled & angry,which it shouldn't be, You are absolutely right. I've not been a member of the OO for 35 years but the tenor of the celebration should be happy and affirming as all sane people agree with its intent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, LinkinFighter said: Do they march in England? Yes. You almost-certainly know this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Just now, LinkinFighter said: Do they march in England? I'm sure places like Liverpool, which had an influx of staunch types from the North of Ireland, probably has a minor version of this bizarre hatefest. My family from Cornwall are absolutely mystified by it all when they visit Glasgow in June/July and I'm sure most English are the same. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Co.Down Hibee Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, LinkinFighter said: Do they march in England? Yes, though not many, Liverpool has a reasonably big march so I'm told 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Marches cease playing music as they pass places of worship and I wasn't aware housing estates ascribed to a particular faith. [emoji1] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 So to summarise. A bunch of bigoted fuds are free to express their bigoted fuddery and the rest of us are free to point and laugh. Are we all in agreement? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 There are more orange lodges in Liverpool than there are any other city on the mainland other than Glasgow. See they're going down a treat there too. https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/liverpool-orange-lodge-condemns-violent-13174822.amp[emoji1] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Really wish I was in Belfast to ask a guy burning a fleg with emblazoned with 'KAT' (presumably short for Kathryn) what AV Dicey's take would be on the effect the Human Rights Act has on parliamentary sovereignty. Y'know cause they're so into constitutional law and definitely not mindless redneck bigots. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton75 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 7 minutes ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: I agree it attracts brain dead idiots but so do all sorts of other events- dance music festivals, some football matches, beaches on hot days but I don't think that's justification for prohibiting these things. The overwhelming majority of parades are celebratory in nature without a hint of animosity. The only bother I have ever in my entire life seem at any parades was between airdrie fans and Motherwell fans, some gang fighting between schemes at Glasgow green and one time a brawl between 2 bands with opposing associations during a time of a feud in Northern Ireland. I'm not religious. However I appreciate the influence of events which are celebrated on shaping the future course of the country for the better. I think that it's a valued part of large parts of Scottish working class culture and brings a sense of community to many places. Bands and lodges often make significant contributions to their local communities. I don't dispute the fact there are brain dead morons associated with it. However, these are often exaggerated and pounced on by opponents who are motivated by complete intolerance of the full culture. When I see such intolerance on here then I will highlight it.....if the intolerant poster in question is worthy of responding to. When does stuff like dance music events or beaches on hot days operate in parallel with kids walking to school while adults scream abuse at them? These comparisons aren't even remotely close. I'm bewildered as to the level of whataboutery that you're trying to establish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 The Orange Order was imported from Ireland. It has little to do with Scottish culture, it is an immigrant phenomenon. Nothing wrong with that, of course, if it wasn't a thoroughly objectionable institution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arthur Orton Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 I pity anyone that comes on this thread expecting to look at Scottish Cricket. Leave while you still can you beautiful naive b*****ds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy85 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Religion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 When does stuff like dance music events or beaches on hot days operate in parallel with kids walking to school while adults scream abuse at them? These comparisons aren't even remotely close. I'm bewildered as to the level of whataboutery that you're trying to establish. Exactly. That post by Fashanu is an embarrassment. No surprise to see him try and justify it though, horrible. It's more like the equivalent of a large group of dance music fans having an event where they walk through a town full of goths blaring their Cascada and shouting abuse at them for liking Bullet For My Valentine instead. [emoji1] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 (edited) 1 minute ago, The Chlamydia Kid said: The cultures of Scotland and Ulster and Scotland and Ireland are completely intertwined as a result of mass migrations in both directions over centuries. Odd then when orange types tell people the famine is over so they should all go home. Edited July 11, 2017 by The OP 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 The Orange Walk is a lot of shite but it's important for freedom of speech that people can march if they want to. Suck it up and be glad that you don't live in a country where they'd put you in jail for peaceful assembly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenconner Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 Thankfully the UK don't shoot the local citizenry 10 minutes ago, Cerberus said: The Orange Walk is a lot of shite but it's important for freedom of speech that people can march if they want to. Suck it up and be glad that you don't live in a country where they'd put you in jail for peaceful assembly. Or shoot you. Oh haud own........ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milton75 Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 The kids going to school wasn't anything to do with the orange order? That was another in a long list of complete and utter stupid decisions and PR disaster by the unionist community in reaction to completely understandable frustrations after continual attacks and intimidation. What? My point is not that such incidents are intrinsically linked to the Orange Order (although I would challenge you to truthfully claim that there's no crossover in people involved).My point is that I don't think it's appropriate to seek an equivalence like "you get assholes everywhere" when discussing this. It's a situation that needs to be discussed uniquely. People at music festivals don't go with the intention of hating people not at music festivals. They don't attack or threaten those that don't go.These scenarios simply aren't comparable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 It's a great pity that in their profound ignorance many have turned their back on the great Scottish working class Presbyterian traditions and covenanting history to be seduced by this GSTQ pish and the endorsement of Episcopalian doctrine. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Cerberus said: The Orange Walk is a lot of shite but it's important for freedom of speech that people can march if they want to. Suck it up and be glad that you don't live in a country where they'd put you in jail for peaceful assembly. No one has a problem with peaceful assembly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenlantern Posted July 11, 2017 Share Posted July 11, 2017 The Orange Order is a bigoted fraternity of brainwashed losers, who like to dress up and play toy soldiers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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