MazzyStar Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 20 minutes ago, DiamondDan said: An interesting documentary about our brethren in Ghana and Togo, which also touches on lodges that used to exist in other parts of Africa. Our Ghana and Toga brethren are always well represented whenever the Imperial Orange Council meets, and in recent times some of them have taken part in 'The Twelfth' as well as the annual Boyne commemorations in Scotland, specifically the East of Scotland. I have unfortunately never had the pleasure of meeting any of them, but two of my lodge have and speak very highly of these laid back, polite and charismatic Christians who live their lives by what they deem to be God's will. If anybody wishes to engage constructively then it would be most welcome, however, as always, trolls will be completely ignored. Imperialism isn’t something to be celebrated. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondDan Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: Imperialism isn’t something to be celebrated. That depends on the context in which the term is being used. We're not talking about an empire here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 1 minute ago, DiamondDan said: That depends on the context in which the term is being used. We're not talking about an empire here. How are we not talking about an empire here? The only reason anyone in Ghana and Togo cares about the Boyne, King William and all your other weirdo orange order shite is the British empire. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondDan Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: How are we not talking about an empire here? The only reason anyone in Ghana and Togo cares about the Boyne, King William and all your other weirdo orange order shite is the British empire. I was in two minds whether to reply to this, as your claim of 'weirdo orange shite' leads me to think you're just a wee troll. Only time will tell if me giving you the time of day is the right decision. How are we not talking about an empire? Because 'imperial' is being used in a different context than the British empire here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't know that.. again, perhaps this will turn out to be a case of 'more fool me'. It is of course being used in the sense of the Orange Order, which has never had an actual empire, although it'd be hilarious if we did, but in the sense of having an expansive, forward-thinking, global approach where lodges have popped up all over planet Earth. However, the phrase 'the sun never sets on the Orange Empire' has still never been a thing, I'm afraid. The only thing which could actually be classed as part of our empire is Katikati! (look it up) Edited November 4, 2023 by DiamondDan -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 19 minutes ago, DiamondDan said: I was in two minds whether to reply to this, as your claim of 'weirdo orange shite' leads me to think you're just a wee troll. Only time will tell if me giving you the time of day is the right decision. How are we not talking about an empire? Because 'imperial' is being used in a different context than the British empire here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you didn't know that.. again, perhaps this will turn out to be a case of 'more fool me'. It is of course being used in the sense of the Orange Order, which has never had an actual empire, although it'd be hilarious if we did, but in the sense of having an expansive, forward-thinking, global approach where lodges have popped up all over planet Earth. However, the phrase 'the sun never sets on the Orange Empire' has still never been a thing, I'm afraid. The only thing which could actually be classed as part of our empire is Katikati! (look it up) So if the British empire isn’t the reason for orange lodges existing in countries like Ghana, then what is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondDan Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: So if the British empire isn’t the reason for orange lodges existing in countries like Ghana, then what is? I've just explained the reason for the usage of the term 'imperial', which is nothing to do with the British Empire. Are you going to meaningfully comment on the documentary? Or are you just here to troll? Edited November 4, 2023 by DiamondDan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 7 minutes ago, DiamondDan said: I've just explained the reason for the usage of the term 'imperial', which is nothing to do with the British Empire. Are you going to meaningfully comment on the documentary? Or are you just here to troll? I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say here. I’m not talking about the terminology used by the orange order, I’m talking about the reason that orange lodges exist in Africa in the first place. Do you think that people in Ghana and Togo just decided one day that they’d join an organisation that had absolutely no connections to them or their history? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiamondDan Posted November 4, 2023 Share Posted November 4, 2023 Just now, MazzyStar said: I don’t think you understand what I’m trying to say here. I’m not talking about the terminology used by the orange order, I’m talking about the reason that orange lodges exist in Africa in the first place. Do you think that people in Ghana and Togo just decided one day that they’d join an organisation that had absolutely no connections to them or their history? You're going on to something else though. We were talking about the use of the term 'imperial' in the context the Imperial Orange Council that meets every four years. It's a meeting of all Grand Orange Lodges. I've explained that it's not used in the context of the British Empire, but of the expansionist nature of the Orange Order itself. Should that not be the end of the discussion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 They’re certainly expansionist 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 11 hours ago, MazzyStar said: Imperialism isn’t something to be celebrated. Although to be fair the pontiff’s side is rooted in two and a half millennia of imperialism so it’s difficult to see any good guys here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, topcat(The most tip top) said: Although to be fair the pontiff’s side is rooted in two and a half millennia of imperialism so it’s difficult to see any good guys here Interesting take, the Roman Empire may strongly object, the Roman Empire that is, not the Holy Roman Empire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 55 minutes ago, Moomintroll said: Interesting take, the Roman Empire may strongly object, the Roman Empire that is, not the Holy Roman Empire. To be fair the popes in Rome only formally assumed the title of Pontifex Maximus a long long time after kicking the pagans out of Rome but in using it they’re claiming that legacy every time they tweet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted November 5, 2023 Share Posted November 5, 2023 @David MacKinnon Hiya *** 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Knuckle-dragging cretins from 'Armadale' (West Lothian) and every other bin parading through Glasgow city centre and blocking the main thoroughfare between the train stations, on the second Saturday before Christmas. They should either be banned from marching as a public nuisance or taken to Armadale to traipse around a field in this rain. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 On 13/07/2023 at 12:27, jimbaxters said: For those who don't venture far on this site, ex-Junior club Johnstone Burgh who are currently in Tier 7 are splashing the cash. They announced the signing of Kyle Lafferty yesterday (12th July) then tried to say it was coincidence. Needless to say they're making lots of pals. I went and watched East Craigie play Johnstone Burgh a few months ago and was slightly bemused to arrive at Keanie Park and see a Ferrari parked here Don't think Lafferty played but Dorrans did. Assume it belonged to one of them. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 1 hour ago, RawB93 said: I went and watched East Craigie play Johnstone Burgh a few months ago and was slightly bemused to arrive at Keanie Park and see a Ferrari parked here Don't think Lafferty played but Dorrans did. Assume it belonged to one of them. It's been stolen! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 7 hours ago, RawB93 said: I went and watched East Craigie play Johnstone Burgh a few months ago and was slightly bemused to arrive at Keanie Park and see a Ferrari parked here Don't think Lafferty played but Dorrans did. Assume it belonged to one of them. Probably not an East Craigie player -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Thought this was a summer pastime ? f**k marching in the winter. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 6 minutes ago, Chris Partlow said: Thought this was a summer pastime ? f**k marching in the winter. 'it is old and it is beautiful and is made of fine gore-tex from july through to january those catholics have us vexed' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted December 10, 2023 Share Posted December 10, 2023 Just now, carpetmonster said: 'it is old and it is beautiful and is made of fine gore-tex from july through to january those catholics have us vexed' The scarf, gloves and hat my father wore. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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