Tubbs Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Like all politicians they are in it for their own opinions and themselves; the 'for Scotland' tag is just meaningless if you think its any grander than that then fair enough. Its a 'fight' for votes pure and simple and any patriotic 'one up man ship' is just another ploy or tactic to be played accordingly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Like all politicians they are in it for their own opinions and themselves; the 'for Scotland' tag is just meaningless if you think its any grander than that then fair enough. Its a 'fight' for votes pure and simple and any patriotic 'one up man ship' is just another ploy or tactic to be played accordingly Who do you vote for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I always go for the least worst option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I always go for the least worst option. Which is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiddy Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 A lot of the Yes campaign is focused on how cynical the No politicians are. Worth pointing out that politicians are politicians no matter their persuasion. Business as usual is being ditched to smooth the way for a quiet 2014 - corroboration into the long grass and the dual highers for 14/15 are clear examples of where the priorities are right now for the SNP. Corroboration has been delayed due to concerns raised by Lords Cullen & Hamilton. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25623509 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Which is? In this case ? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 In this case ? No. No, i mean in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Labour in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Labour in general And they're the least worst are they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Labour in general Just as well you'll still be able to vote for them after independence then. I don't know if you're "staunch" Labour, but independence greatly increases the chances of the members of Scottish Labour actually thinking of their voters (such as yourself), and making decisions without having to worry about what the main party down south think. The Westminster element has to be cut off in my opinion. It'll be for the good of all the political parties in Scotland. I'd also be a bit more open-minded when it comes to who I support and vote for in the event of independence, although there would maybe have to be a bit of a shake up in the political landscape in Scotland for that to happen. Not necessarily in what parties exist, but who leads them and who represents them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davi3j Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 I always go for the least worst option. Ok then, £25bn of, (mostly), benefit cuts is better than??? Answers on a postcard to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 Labour love to be a bit of arse licking to the Tories these days http://www.itv.com/news/border/story/2014-01-14/scottish-labour-leader-interview/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Corroboration has been delayed due to concerns raised by Lords Cullen & Hamilton. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-25623509 Not a bad thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Labour in general I hope you don't vote for them in Scottish elections as they're fcuking honking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Labour in general ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekinPerth Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 Went last night to the first of a series of seven "seminars" being held by the David Hume Institute with the dodgy title of "The Politicians and the Professionals". It was Nicola Sturgeon last night, Johan Lamont next Wednesday, followed by Patrick Harvie, Willie Rennie, Ruth Davidson and then a couple of academics. As a regular attender at DHI meetings in Edinburgh, it was obvious last night was different. The attendance sheet was full of politicos and media people, who never normally come near The Royal Society of Edinburgh's building. There were so many of them there had to be an overflow room to accommodate them all. But the questions were varied and Nicola gave yet another good account of herself in company which, like most groups of so-called professional people, has a tendency to favour the status quo (not Status Quo). Asked what she feared most (and the original question was put by one of the professionals, an actuary, who wanted to reduce everything to numbers, positives and negatives), she said waking up on 19 September and realising we'd missed an opportunity of not just a lifetime but many lifetimes. I look forward to hearing the other politicians in the weeks ahead. DHI may not appeal to you, but I do think we all need to go out and listen to people talking about this, and not just sticking with our existing opinions, whatever they may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 See there was a debate at Prestwick Academy the other day, with the YES and NO leaders taking part. Support for YES went from 33% to 51% after the debate, while NO went from 44% to 40%. More proof that, as people get to know the facts and not the unionist media headlines, they switch to YES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 See there was a debate at Prestwick Academy the other day, with the YES and NO leaders taking part. Support for YES went from 33% to 51% after the debate, while NO went from 44% to 40%. More proof that, as people get to know the facts and not the unionist media headlines, they switch to YES Similar results at Ayrshire College http://www1.ayrshire.ac.uk/news_blog/news/1100_ayrshire_students_have_a_trial_run_for_the_referendum Both are mentioned in the must read Shropshire Star http://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2014/01/16/darling-union-benefits-young-scots/ Will Darling ever change this "300 years" angle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 So darling has mad ehis har dhitting speech today: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/2014/jan/16/nick-clegg-hosts-his-lbc-phone-in-politics-live-blog#block-52d7d105e4b040bca45b489b it's in at 12.47 pm on the live blog. Opinions? Usual doom and gloom, supposition and intellectual dishonesty from Darling, for me. Particularly liked this bit: Does he not accept that a currency union needs both Scotland and the rest of the UK to agree to enter into it? Will he not accept a currency union means both sides have to agree each others budgets? So his solution to this impasse is to continue a system where the UK has control of 87% of the Scotland's tax base and Scotland has little say on the budget priorities of the UK. Good one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The decision in the referendum isn't about the flag you raise or the colour of your passport. It is not a test of Scottishness. If this is the case why have Better Together spent the last year or so telling us that they are all Patriotic Scots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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