Latest Polls and Latest Odds

[Double Jack D]

This is true. There was as a poll released a while back that convincingly showed yes voters were more likely to come from less affluent areas of the country, whereas no voters were more likely to come from the more affluent areas.

I'd be interested to see that. Not to pick holes, I genuinely believe it to be true.

My own experience is that my more politically aware friends and family are more likely to vote yes, regardless of wealth/ age etc.

I have a mortgage, pension, job, two kids, garage and two cars. I'm absolutely voting yes.

[Double Jack D]

It's a shame that some people are voting for what they think will be better for their pockets rather than whats best for the country.

I think so too but I suppose it's understandable and their democratic right. I'd much rather we stood on our own feet in the world, we are a nation after all. Sure we will enter into other unions and alliances ( NATO, EU, possibly even some agreements with rUK or other nations) but we would do so on our terms and not as some under-represented region.

[Enigma]

I think the affluence point is absolutely true, by and large. Those with the most to loose are going to turn to self interest and minimise risk. Those doing well atm will say "why bother, I'm doing fine as it is and independence might leave me worse off" others will say "what have we got to loose, things are pretty shit for me now and independence might give me better opportunities". I also suspect less affluent people or young idealists are more concerned with things like aspiring to achieve a better society and see independent as a possible step closer to the ideal. Your average middle class 55 year old almost certainly cares less about building better society.

[Lebowski]

It's a shame that some people are voting for what they think will be better for their pockets rather than whats best for the country.

And also what's best for their pockets rather than what's best for their fellow people who aren't as well off as they are.

The analogy I'd make would be you make 50k a year, vote no and it will go up to 51k a year. Meanwhile everyone else in your street is on 10k a year and it will go down to 9k a year. But if you vote yes you will make only 49k a year whilst everyone else on your street would make 11k a year. That extra money flows through the economy, makes things a bit better all round, and there's a more coherent society. So you're a bit less likely to get your nice house robbed cause poor people haven't got enough food for their family in that scenario.

And I would be fine with voting no if there was any sign at all that the second scenario was going to play out in the UK. But it has only been going in one direction during my 40 years of life and it isn't going to happen. So we have to change it.

[I'm Brian]

So in the Alloway/Troon types vote no and the "Scheme Goblins" (copyright Reynard) vote yes debate, where do these guys fit in?

Edited May 24, 2014 by I'm Brian

[1320Lichtie]

It's LOse, not LOOse. Really bugging me, carry on!

[Kejan]

I love that clip of those Hùns especially the rather Shane McGowan looking one circling his head in agreement about going to Wales and Rule Britania whilst wearing what looks like a Diego Maradona t-shirt.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Not really a good night for the SNP - same polling as last election but 7% down on what they were polling for this election.

[Enigma]

Not really a good night for the SNP - same polling as last election but 7% down on what they were polling for this election.

Makes you wonder... What if the polls are recording the No vote as 7% too high... Or even if there is up to a 7% margin of error.

[Todders]

Not really a good night for the SNP - same polling as last election but 7% down on what they were polling for this election.

All that proves it that opinion polls are completely useless (as if the 2011 election had not already taught us that).

[DeeTillEhDeh]

All that proves it that opinion polls are completely useless (as if the 2011 election had not already taught us that).

It looks like the SNP did not benefit from the protest vote as much as 2012 because UKIP took some of that vote.

[ayrmad]

It looks like the SNP did not benefit from the protest vote as much as 2012 because UKIP took some of that vote.

When did the SNP become a protest vote?

[San Starko Rover]

When did the SNP become a protest vote?

Since Labour started losing to them

[DeeTillEhDeh]

Since Labour started losing to them

Agreed.

And also when the Trot Nats imploded the SNP was a natural place for many disilliusioned voters. My own mother voted for the SNP for that very reason - but she will be voting No in the referendum.

[Jamaldo]

That's some going from the SNP. A protest vote for seven years apparently. A protest vote even when they were technically in government prior to 2011. Obviously people fancied protesting some more, against an opposition party.

Aye makes perfect sense. f**k off.

[ecto]

When did the SNP become a protest vote?

SNP are always a haven for "hacked off Tories", who could not bring themselves to vote either Lib-Dem or Labour

Edited May 26, 2014 by ecto

[Lex]

I voted SNP yesterday.

What relevance does the European Elections have to the referendum? Aren't we repeatedly told that it's separate from party politics?

[Burma]

Agreed.

And also when the Trot Nats imploded the SNP was a natural place for many disilliusioned voters. My own mother voted for the SNP for that very reason - but she will be voting No in the referendum.

So the SNP are a "protest" party?

[DeeTillEhDeh]

So the SNP are a "protest" party?

For hacked off Labour supporters.

Nowhere else for them to go really.

[ayrmad]

SNP are always a haven for "hacked off Tories", who could not bring themselves to vote either Lib-Dem or Labour

They are getting votes because they're doing a decent job.