HardyBamboo Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Maybe an interesting critique of the recent YouGov poll? When we commissioned our second Panelbase poll, we asked Edinburgh University’s highly respected Professor of Public Policy, Politics and International Relations,James Mitchell, to give our questions the once-over beforehand to ensure they weren’t unfair or leading. The resulting poll’s neutrality was widely praised. We thought it might therefore be interesting to get his expert professional opinion on the recent “Better Together” poll by YouGov, and he very kindly obliged. http://wingsoverscotland.com/on-gullibility-and-bias/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Maybe an interesting critique of the recent YouGov poll? When we commissioned our second Panelbase poll, we asked Edinburgh University’s highly respected Professor of Public Policy, Politics and International Relations,James Mitchell, to give our questions the once-over beforehand to ensure they weren’t unfair or leading. The resulting poll’s neutrality was widely praised. We thought it might therefore be interesting to get his expert professional opinion on the recent “Better Together” poll by YouGov, and he very kindly obliged. http://wingsoverscotland.com/on-gullibility-and-bias/ Was this a critique of last nights poll by ITV or some other one that is giving a startlingly similar result to all the others apart from the ones that the likes of Wangs buy or that the SNP buy? He has been overtaken by events already. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBamboo Posted January 8, 2014 Share Posted January 8, 2014 Was this a critique of last nights poll by ITV or some other one that is giving a startlingly similar result to all the others apart from the ones that the likes of Wangs buy or that the SNP buy? He has been overtaken by events already. As my post says it was the recent better together commissioned poll, why dont you read the article - it isnt long. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 As my post says it was the recent better together commissioned poll, why dont you read the article - it isnt long. Has he come up with a good excuse for the result of the Borders poll for ITV which has the yes clowns at less than a quarter of the vote? Maybe in a few days time Wings will have got their shit together on that. Bated breath time.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Well, we've had posts like this - "What I'll say to unionists is; If the UK is so great, go fucking live there after a Yes vote." and a lot of more general We're fucked if we vote No, How can anyone look at themselves in the mirror if they vote against their country, No one can posssibly vote No if they want the best for Scotland etc etc. That's very typical of the Yes posters on here, which as I've said before bears little or no resemblance to the "real" Yes campaigners, who in my experience have been very pleasant and genuine on the occasions I've been accosted by them in Stirling or Falkirk. Actual evidence or f**k off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Has he come up with a good excuse for the result of the Borders poll for ITV which has the yes clowns at less than a quarter of the vote? Maybe in a few days time Wings will have got their shit together on that. Bated breath time.. The fact that the Tories are twice as strong in that area as they are in the country as a whole explains it enough, take 140 votes straight off NO for that and the poll is in line with the others, I've already posted similar, it isn't rocket science. That nice blue band between England and the rest of Scotland makes it the most unusual area in the whole country. Edited January 9, 2014 by ayrmad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Actual evidence or f**k off. Evidence has been given. It's nobodies fault that you are an illiterate quarter wit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 The fact that the Tories are twice as strong in that area as they are in the country as a whole explains it enough, take 140 votes straight off NO for that and the poll is in line with the others, I've already posted similar, it isn't rocket science. Its a few percent out from what most of the others tell us. Yes is losing and is going to lose, as you say, it's not rocket science. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Its a few percent out from what most of the others tell us. Yes is losing and is going to lose, as you say, it's not rocket science. It's not a few percent out if a proper weighting was used, add 105 votes onto YES for the area being less supportive of the SNP than the average of the country as a whole. It's probably the least informative poll we've had so far. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dipped Flake Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Why does anyone continue to argue with Reynard and his pal? If you ask them questions they don't like they just ignore them. There is no debating with them as their minds are set, which is fine. It makes much more sense debating with people who have an open mind on the subject and are willing to listen to valid arguments 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 It's not a few percent out if a proper weighting was used, add 105 votes onto YES for the area being less supportive of the SNP than the average of the country as a whole. It's probably the least informative poll we've had so far. It informs us that the borders don't want independence either. Much like the rest of the country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Why does anyone continue to argue with Reynard and his pal? If you ask them questions they don't like they just ignore them. There is no debating with them as their minds are set, which is fine. It makes much more sense debating with people who have an open mind on the subject and are willing to listen to valid arguments Can you issue a list of posters on this bit of the site that fit that criteria please? Cheers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Has he come up with a good excuse for the result of the Borders poll for ITV which has the yes clowns at less than a quarter of the vote? Maybe in a few days time Wings will have got their shit together on that. Bated breath time.. Just for you. http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/new-comres-poll-of-referendum-voting.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 (edited) Just for you. http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/new-comres-poll-of-referendum-voting.html That's excellent. The nationalists can now ignore yet another poll which shows they are bombing horrifically in their referendum. Time for a wee Panelbase commission to keep spirits up for the long drag in to certain defeat. Just a gut feeling you understand? Edited January 9, 2014 by Reynard 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Can you issue a list of posters on this bit of the site that fit that criteria please? Cheers. Anyone? Or was Dipped Flake simply complaining that this bit of the site isn't simply a bunch of high fiving natbot losers at the moment? The nationalist blogs will be more your scene if you need the comfort blanket of lots of people agreeing with everything you say and giving you a big group hug and possibly even a reacharound. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So, what about those EU citizens that don't exist? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 So, what about those EU citizens that don't exist? They wont answer that. Will be sending the EU students on the next plane home ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 That's excellent. The nationalists can now ignore yet another poll which shows they are bombing horrifically in their referendum. Time for a wee Panelbase commission to keep spirits up for the long drag in to certain defeat. Just a gut feeling you understand? Did you read it? whether you like the source or not, the data should be evaluated fairly. In this case, I think he has a point. No one is surprised that Dumfries should be more NO oriented, it still returns a Tory MP. it was also interesting to note how the national identiifcation breaks down in that area, with the best will in the world, Yes are not going to make inroads in groups who identify strongly as British over Scottish and even in equally Scottish and British (though they could pick up some in the latter) so it's no surprise that they will struggle in an area where identification runs more to those three percentile, rather than More or wholly Scottish, No? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 Did you read it? whether you like the source or not, the data should be evaluated fairly. In this case, I think he has a point. No one is surprised that Dumfries should be more NO oriented, it still returns a Tory MP. it was also interesting to note how the national identiifcation breaks down in that area, with the best will in the world, Yes are not going to make inroads in groups who identify strongly as British over Scottish and even in equally Scottish and British (though they could pick up some in the latter) so it's no surprise that they will struggle in an area where identification runs more to those three percentile, rather than More or wholly Scottish, No? I'm not sure I agree with that to be honest. I know people who are certain No voters that are just as tied to the concept of being Scottish not British. We've also had anecdotal evidence from people on the board about English nationals based here who intend to vote Yes. I don't think nationality is a big part of the dynamic. Other than amongst the Orange Order types and their idiot Nat counterparts. I think the class divide is much more important. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 9, 2014 Share Posted January 9, 2014 I'm not sure I agree with that to be honest. I know people who are certain No voters that are just as tied to the concept of being Scottish not British. We've also had anecdotal evidence from people on the board about English nationals based here who intend to vote Yes. I don't think nationality is a big part of the dynamic. Other than amongst the Orange Order types and their idiot Nat counterparts. I think the class divide is much more important. In the first instance, I see no contradiction with that, there are people who will identify more as Scottish than British but who genuinely (stupidly, msguidedly, in my opinion) feel the Union is the best thing for Scotland. In the second, while there is the English Yes guys, the question doesn't really cater for them, and yes it's more of a generalisation but my point is more that No can probably pick up votes out of the >Scottish groups easier than Yes can pick up votes from the >British groups. In a place like Dumfries where the > British groups are larger than the national average then YES is at a disadvantage. So yeah, I think there is a correlation there, even if it is a second order correlation. Going by the available data then I would agree that class will play it's part as well, those with the most to lose will always be the most cautious of change. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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