Suspect Device Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 11 minutes ago, sophia said: There's an inevitability about this. All that says to me its inevitably going to swing back and forward over and under 50%. What I don't understand is why it isn't a continuous growth in support for independence for the last 14 years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Highlights from the full poll by Ipsos. According to BBS, Ipsos regularly poll the SNP and Yes higher than other pollsters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trogdor Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Highlights from the full poll by Ipsos. According to BBS, Ipsos regularly poll the SNP and Yes higher than other pollsters. f**k me, are Reform out polling Alba? What a riddy that is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 13 hours ago, sophia said: There's an inevitability about this. Aye, it is inevitable that we won't be asked again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 43 minutes ago, strichener said: Aye, it is inevitable that we won't be asked again. Can you show us the democratic route to self determination? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 (edited) 1 hour ago, HTG said: Can you show us the democratic route to self determination? That's up there on the shelf sitting next to books on the Loch Ness Monster and the Kraken, along with popular classics like "The Life and Times of Zeus", "Starship Troopers" and "The Conservative's Guide to Common Decency". Edited February 8 by Salt n Vinegar 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, strichener said: Aye, it is inevitable that we won't be asked again. Agreed. 1 hour ago, HTG said: Can you show us the democratic route to self determination? There isn't one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 19 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: Agreed. There isn't one. Illegal it is then eh? What's the best form of illegal pathway to an independent Scotland? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 27 minutes ago, HTG said: Illegal it is then eh? What's the best form of illegal pathway to an independent Scotland? Bugs Bunny and a big saw probably. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 08/02/2024 at 13:05, HTG said: Illegal it is then eh? What's the best form of illegal pathway to an independent Scotland? Na. The Scottish public don't care enough to go down the illegal route, the UK gov knows this so will just carry on saying 'now is not the time' and watch the scotgov consume itself arguing over the way to achieve independence. Mark Renton summed it up best..."it's a shite state of affairs..." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 49 minutes ago, GTG_03 said: Na. The Scottish public don't care enough to go down the illegal route, the UK gov knows this so will just carry on saying 'now is not the time' and watch the scotgov consume itself arguing over the way to achieve independence. Mark Renton summed it up best..."it's a shite state of affairs..." It is indeed shite that Scots seem to enjoy being under the jackboot heel of Westminster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTee Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Looks like Scotland has some oil and gas again. Also has lots of water and wind forever more. Probably some waves too. A skilled population too. What is holding us back? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) On 08/02/2024 at 11:22, HTG said: Can you show us the democratic route to self determination? Evidence of the Scottish people actually wanting it, for a long time, then parliament granting a referendum for it, after a significant period of time has elapsed since the last one. I think 50 years or something would be reasonable. Refusing the notion of holding continuous referenda until a certain answer is achieved isn’t undemocratic. We made our democratic decision in 2014.. respect our wishes. Edited February 11 by CarrbridgeSaintee -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 8 hours ago, GTee said: Looks like Scotland has some oil and gas again. Also has lots of water and wind forever more. Probably some waves too. A skilled population too. What is holding us back? The SNP mainly on the wind since they sold off Scotlands offshore wind capability to oil companies for a pittance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelly Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Evidence of the Scottish people actually wanting it, for a long time, then parliament granting a referendum for it, after a significant period of time has elapsed since the last one. I think 50 years or something would be reasonable. Refusing the notion of holding continuous referenda until a certain answer is achieved isn’t undemocratic. We made our democratic decision in 2014.. respect our wishes. Absolutely correct. Since 2014 all the snp has gone on about is another referendum while they let everything else in the country get worse. They have also split the people. The amount of money the snp have wasted on having another referendum is disgusting. It should have been spent on services in Scotland to make people's lifes better. I am sick to the back teeth hearing about another bloody independence referendum. Time to move on. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 3 hours ago, CarrbridgeSaintee said: Evidence of the Scottish people actually wanting it, for a long time, then parliament granting a referendum for it, after a significant period of time has elapsed since the last one. I think 50 years or something would be reasonable. Refusing the notion of holding continuous referenda until a certain answer is achieved isn’t undemocratic. We made our democratic decision in 2014.. respect our wishes. That's just an opinion which carries no more value than fly. You've not articulated in any way, shape or form what the legal route to self-determination is for the people of Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soapy FFC Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Steelly said: Absolutely correct. Since 2014 all the snp has gone on about is another referendum while they let everything else in the country get worse. They have also split the people. The amount of money the snp have wasted on having another referendum is disgusting. It should have been spent on services in Scotland to make people's lifes better. I am sick to the back teeth hearing about another bloody independence referendum. Time to move on. I don't have the figures to hand, but obviously you do as you make comment on the disgusting waste. How much has been spent on having a second referendum since 2014? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarrbridgeSaintee Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, HTG said: That's just an opinion which carries no more value than fly. You've not articulated in any way, shape or form what the legal route to self-determination is for the people of Scotland. There's no legal route without a referendum IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelly Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Soapy FFC said: I don't have the figures to hand, but obviously you do as you make comment on the disgusting waste. How much has been spent on having a second referendum since 2014? For starters the minister for independence's salary of nearly 100k. Then the white papers at a cost of 150k so far. That's just for starters. Edited February 11 by Steelly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelly Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Just read since september 2021 3.44 million has been wasted by the snp on another referendum. This was analysis of papers gained from the freedom of information act. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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