Karpaty Posted March 6, 2014 Share Posted March 6, 2014 US to give Ukraine $1bn. The purpose of the aid package, in particular, is to reduce Ukraine's dependence on natural gas supplies from Russia. The bill was supported by 385 members of Congress. 23 congressmen of the Republican opposition were against. (UA link: http://www.unian.ua/politics/893938-kongres-ssha-shvaliv-dopomogu-ukrajini-na-1-mlrd.html ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JogaBonito Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Just watched question time. That Times columnist was pretty critical of Putin, even in the presence of a former Kremlin advisor - Probably good idea to add him to your dead pool nominees list imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Anyone seen sir patrick Stewart's tweet in response to David Cameron tweeting about Russia? I've boycotted him since he came out of the closet as a heterosexual. Going to cost a fortune to get my gaydar repaired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I've boycotted him since he came out of the closet as a heterosexual. Going to cost a fortune to get my gaydar repaired. really, he's the prototype of the confident balding metrosexual! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 The city of Sevastopol has voted to be part of the Russian Federation. http://www.unian.net/politics/893910-sevastopol-prinyal-reshenie-o-vhojdenii-v-sostav-rf.html This is where it gets interesting in constitutional terms. Sevastapol is the city where the main naval base that the Russians use for their Black Sea fleet is located, but rather inconveniently for Putin and co where their attempted anschluss is concerned it's not officially part of the autonomous republic of Crimea even though it's at the very southern tip of the peninsula. Also interesting to see that the Ukrainian government appears to be asserting control in Donetsk with the help of Shaktar's Ultras: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10681786/Pro-Russian-leader-arrested-in-Donetsk-as-Kiev-hits-back.html That's a Danny Dyer documentary waiting to happen. Think there's a big generational divide in the southern and eastern part with the younger generation being more pro-EU than those that grew up under the old Soviet system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/sir-patrick-stewart-patches-into-david-cameron-and-barack-obamas-ukraine-talks-with-packet-of-wet-wipes-9172805.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This is where it gets interesting in constitutional terms. Sevastapol is the city where the main naval base that the Russians use for their Black Sea fleet is located, but rather inconveniently for Putin and co where their attempted anschluss is concerned it's not officially part of the autonomous republic of Crimea even though it's at the very southern tip of the peninsula. Also interesting to see that the Ukrainian government appears to be asserting control in Donetsk with the help of Shaktar's Ultras: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10681786/Pro-Russian-leader-arrested-in-Donetsk-as-Kiev-hits-back.html That's a Danny Dyer documentary waiting to happen. Think there's a big generational divide in the southern and eastern part with the younger generation being more pro-EU than those that grew up under the old Soviet system. Ukrainian ultras are sticking together on this, have done for a few weeks now. Even when the football season resumes on March 15th, there will be no animosity between fans at all, unless it's pre arranged Fair Play.Pro-Ukrainian protests in Donetsk as you say. I dunno about your last paragraph, earlier this week I seen a video of titushka in Luhansk (no older than 21) who were strapping a Russian flag on top of the maidan. They all carried guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BossHogg Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Ukrainian ultras are sticking together on this, have done for a few weeks now. Even when the football season resumes on March 15th, there will be no animosity between fans at all, unless it's pre arranged Fair Play. Pro-Ukrainian protests in Donetsk as you say. I dunno about your last paragraph, earlier this week I seen a video of titushka in Luhansk (no older than 21) who were strapping a Russian flag on top of the maidan. They all carried guns. donetsk could follow Crimea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowdenbeathLoyal Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Turkey scrambled jets after a Russian flyover and America has deployed ships. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 US to give Ukraine $1bn. The purpose of the aid package, in particular, is to reduce Ukraine's dependence on natural gas supplies from Russia. It's a big figure but works out at about $20 per Ukrainian. How much alternative energy does that buy you? I'm guessing it won't be that much. I was reading earlier in the week that experts think Ukraine needs $34bn (think it was dollars?) over the next 2yrs, to stop the economy going down the pan. Russia was going to given them an immediate injection - $9bn, I think it was - if they had kept on down the path to joining their Eurasian Union and had actually given $1bn of an initial $3bn just before all hell broke lose? Clearly that's no longer happening... I guess the US and EU will be having to find the money now. It would be interesting to know how much some parts of Europe - particularly the Germans - have pumped into everyone else since the recession started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karpaty Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 It's a big figure but works out at about $20 per Ukrainian. How much alternative energy does that buy you? I'm guessing it won't be that much. I was reading earlier in the week that experts think Ukraine needs $34bn (think it was dollars?) over the next 2yrs, to stop the economy going down the pan. Russia was going to given them an immediate injection - $9bn, I think it was - if they had kept on down the path to joining their Eurasian Union and had actually given $1bn of an initial $3bn just before all hell broke lose? Clearly that's no longer happening... I guess the US and EU will be having to find the money now. It would be interesting to know how much some parts of Europe - particularly the Germans - have pumped into everyone else since the recession started. I'm sure it was $15bn that Putin was going to give YanukovychUkraine. News filtering through that Ukraine have missed a payment so Gazprom won't need any sort of excuse to cut the supplies off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 I'm sure it was $15bn that Putin was going to give YanukovychUkraine. News filtering through that Ukraine have missed a payment so Gazprom won't need any sort of excuse to cut the supplies off. Was there not concerns a while back when Ukraine missed a payment that the rest of Europe would face issues if the supply to them was cut, as (most of)everybody's else's gas went through ukraine? can't remember how that was resolved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Sometimes I wonder if the tinfoil hat brigade are right about a secret world order. It seems like Ukraine is involved in the next tug of war over resources between Russia and the west. Much like Iraq before it. Sounds a lot more reasonable than the western leaders pretending they actually give two hoots about the sovereignty of a foreign country. If anything Russia's involvement has stabilised the country, I really don't trust our government anymore and seeing William Hague talk about respecting other countries is a joke. There's definitely a bigger picture here and it's not on the news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This isn't a 'tug of war' over resources mainly because Russia has the resources. Also, Gazprom recently had a scare due to the U.S. producing and exporting its own LPG. I know it doesn't fit into the "THE WEST are oil hungry imperialists" agenda that many have but sometimes that isn't always the case. China have now essentially backed Russia, changing their tune from a couple of days ago when they declared that Ukrainian sovereignty must be respected. Now, ironically, they've spouted some nonsense about ethnic groups having rights. Spot the mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 Why do you think America has meddled with their politics for so long then? Just to make Russia nervous and destabilise them a little? Seems a bit foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 This isn't a 'tug of war' over resources mainly because Russia has the resources. Also, Gazprom recently had a scare due to the U.S. producing and exporting its own LPG. I know it doesn't fit into the "THE WEST are oil hungry imperialists" agenda that many have but sometimes that isn't always the case. China have now essentially backed Russia, changing their tune from a couple of days ago when they declared that Ukrainian sovereignty must be respected. Now, ironically, they've spouted some nonsense about ethnic groups having rights. Spot the mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dee Man Posted March 7, 2014 Share Posted March 7, 2014 With there being no Dundee game tomorrow does anyone think it'll be worth my while sitting with the popcorn out watching News 24 all day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Don't think anything bizarre will start to unfold again until they try to have the referendum next weekend. Things have reached a bit of a stalemate at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Hopefully Western imperialists recognise Crimea's right to determine where their own sovereignty lies. TBF, Putin is no less imperial than Western nations. I will admit when Putin starts lecturing America about freedom, you know it's bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 What a surprise, the Western nations were behind the overthrow of the previous regime. Don't expect MSM to tell you anything about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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