Dons_1988 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Unpopular opinion maybe, but I'm not sure Mclennan will ever be much more than a hard working option with a fairly average level of ability. I don't particularly see him becoming a really key player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, Dons_1988 said: Unpopular opinion maybe, but I'm not sure Mclennan will ever be much more than a hard working option with a fairly average level of ability. I don't particularly see him becoming a really key player. I really liked how positive and productive he was when he first broke into the team. He seemed to have a real knack of making things happen, which couldn't be said for all our attacking players then (compared to Mackay-Steven, for example, McLennan was less elegant to watch but seemed to actually be more effective in the final third) - or even now. But he is technically quite limited and, when he is bad, he has a habit of being really bad. I'm not 100% sure where he fits into a 3-4-3; there have been some signs that he could do a decent job at wing-back, utilising his running and ball carrying from deep to get us up the pitch, but also games where he hasn't looked particularly clever there; he might not be quite technical enough, or have enough guile yet, to play as one of the supporting two in the front three. I do like him and want him to stay, though - but the next season or two feels quite important for him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: Unpopular opinion maybe, but I'm not sure Mclennan will ever be much more than a hard working option with a fairly average level of ability. I don't particularly see him becoming a really key player. He's the kick and run type that you just absolutely need in some cases. He's a less talented player player than Hayes but with a similar skillset. In full agreement with you that he's never going to be one of the top players in a squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, d31 said: Yea we'd need to hope if we can't win the scottish cup that it's another top 3 team, spit. It will be standard scottish football that it's gretna or dunfermline kicking about the group stages. I would not be surprised if the Scottish Cup finishes the season after it is meant to again. The competition is suspended with 5 full rounds to get through as well as 12 outstanding ties that can only be played from the start of February at the earliest. It could well end up with the place being allocated to the 3rd placed league team anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I think it's a bit unfair on McLennan actually. No he's not the flair type like Wright or latterly Mackay-Steven, but has better end product, and he's been far more effective than both. He had 8 assists (our best) and 3 goals in 18/19, compared to GMS who had 4 goals and 1 assist, and Wright who had 3 goals (for Dundee) and 6 assists. Even this season people are creaming themselves over Wright who's scored 2 goals and assisted 1. Looks fancy but does very little. Give me McLennan on form any day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 I don't dislike him, I just don't see him as someone on the cusp of turning into something special. I don't see huge scope for improvement but he's definitely a valuable member of the squad. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said: I don't dislike him, I just don't see him as someone on the cusp of turning into something special. I don't see huge scope for improvement but he's definitely a valuable member of the squad. I'd rather we played McLennan than any of the sevco cast off list that's been mentioned. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, AJF said: Those in charge of football clubs learn to put aside any kind of rivalry if they can strike a deal that is beneficial to them (to a certain extent - I don't imagine us ever doing business directly with Celtic). Even your point about McCrorie highlights that it can be illogical. You seem to be of the opinion that he is a good player and you will make money on him, but you'd happily have missed out on that simply because of the team you got him from. I'm not saying that opinion is wrong, as I'd certainly feel the same way if Rangers were to do a similar deal with Celtic, but I suppose my main point is that the decision makers will occasionally overlook any perceived rivalry to do what's best for the club. I think Rangers have made steps towards building more professional relationships with other clubs recently. If we use Hibs as an example. After the whole Scott Allan fiasco, I would never have thought the club would be in any hurry to do business with Hibs, but since then we've loaned them a couple of players and brought in a loan player from them as well. It's a bit rich talking about building professional relationships and overlooking rivalry for the sake of a good deal when the original club to whom you're referring of didn't knowingly sign a Catholic for the first 120 years. However, alls fair, that doesn't apply to the phoenix club.. Edited January 13, 2021 by Bogbrush1903 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJF Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Bogbrush1903 said: It's a bit rich talking about building professional relationships and overlooking rivalry for the sake of a good deal when the original club to you're talking of didn't knowingly sign a Catholic for the first 120 years. However, alls fair, that doesn't apply to the phoenix club.. Jesus Christ, way to ruin a reasonable debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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big al Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, coprolite said: I'd rather we played McLennan than any of the sevco cast off list that's been mentioned. Definitely 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogbrush1903 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, AJF said: Jesus Christ, way to ruin a reasonable debate. Your club ruined a reasonable league with its financial doping aka cheating. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afc_blockhead Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Bogbrush1903 said: So if they were shite old days are these magical ones Blockhead? Not all the time. If i ask you is consistency in the league (worst case finishing 4th place) , a first trophy in 19 years and spells of good football to go with it (no one was complaining in the first months of the season) better than near constant bottom 6 finishes and embarassments in the cup (Mcghee/Calderwood/Paterson etc) what would you say? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Illgresi said: I think it's a bit unfair on McLennan actually. No he's not the flair type like Wright or latterly Mackay-Steven, but has better end product, and he's been far more effective than both. He had 8 assists (our best) and 3 goals in 18/19, compared to GMS who had 4 goals and 1 assist, and Wright who had 3 goals (for Dundee) and 6 assists. Even this season people are creaming themselves over Wright who's scored 2 goals and assisted 1. Looks fancy but does very little. Give me McLennan on form any day. McLennan thrives when someone can play the Wright role and link play. This is why we are 'creaming' ourselves over Wright. If we don't have a player like that then McLennan's first route to the ball is usually a header or winning the second ball. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d31 Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, lubo_blaha said: I would not be surprised if the Scottish Cup finishes the season after it is meant to again. The competition is suspended with 5 full rounds to get through as well as 12 outstanding ties that can only be played from the start of February at the earliest. It could well end up with the place being allocated to the 3rd placed league team anyway. I think it's going to be difficult for the part time teams to get back playing without introducing twice weekly testing. Who should foot that bill? It's difficult to see a restart 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Illgresi Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 20 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: McLennan thrives when someone can play the Wright role and link play. This is why we are 'creaming' ourselves over Wright. If we don't have a player like that then McLennan's first route to the ball is usually a header or winning the second ball. Hedges is significantly better at that than Wright though, but usually gets played out wide because we have limited options. So what we really need is a RWB so that Kennedy can play up off the left where he excelled for St. Johnstone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 30 minutes ago, Illgresi said: Hedges is significantly better at that than Wright though, but usually gets played out wide because we have limited options. So what we really need is a RWB so that Kennedy can play up off the left where he excelled for St. Johnstone. You don't think Hedges has looked at his best when played with Wright? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Illgresi said: This whole Wright affair absolutely reeks of the agent being an absolute bawbag. Unfortunately that's the way football is these days, and we better get used to it if we want to become one of the fabled #Top100. Furthermore, the club have often stated they want to have the best youth system in the country. There's absolutely no point in that if we can't keep these players for long enough to make an impact on the first team, and then make money on them. It's probably too late now that the **** are involved, but we really shouldn't be letting prospects have less than a year on their deal. The counter-argument on Wright would be that the club had every opportunity to dangle what would have been a modest contract during his injury spell and he'd probably have been like to rat up a drainpipe to sign it, despite being on crutches. It was a huge season for him, and for half a dozen games or so, we found a formula that made him a standout. The agent will quickly jump on that and quickly remind him that any moral obligation to the club that spent 13 years developing him, for the previous return of a couple of good games against Partick Thistle, can go out of the window. Pre-Bosman, at least we got seven-figure sums off them for Robertson and Steven Wright............one positive from Brexshit could be doing more to protect clubs that spend time developing players, rather than these pishy little comp fees in place now and all that freedom of movement/employment law nonsense. Edited January 13, 2021 by tarapoa 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, tarapoa said: The counter-argument on Wright would be that the club had every opportunity to dangle what would have been a modest contract during his injury spell and he'd probably have been like to rat up a drainpipe to sign it, despite being on crutches. It was a huge season for him, and for half a dozen games or so, we found a formula that made him a standout. The agent will quickly jump on that and quickly remind him that any moral obligation to the club that spent 13 years developing him, for the previous return of a couple of good games against Partick Thistle, can go out of the window. Pre-Bosman, at least we got seven-figure sums off them for Robertson and Steven Wright............one positive from Brexshit could be doing more to protect clubs that spend time developing players, rather than these pishy little comp fees in place now and all that freedom of movement/employment law nonsense. I've no idea why other fans would call us tories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarapoa Posted January 13, 2021 Share Posted January 13, 2021 33 minutes ago, coprolite said: I've no idea why other fans would call us tories. I've just had to empty my Cayman Islands bank account to pay for Livingston PPV. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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