thepundit Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Another baseless assertion. It's fast becoming your defining feature. It's good enough for Yes supporters. And when they do try to back up their claims they link you to a blog. A blog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Very much this, I'd hope that one of the Socialist parties could re-establish themselves as a credible opposition as well. I don't buy that the SNP would fall away. Look at Fianna Fail in Ireland. I haven't examined the future status of separatist parties in other countries that have become independent, but parties don't tend to just walk away from guaranteed power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotlandGer Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I don't buy that the SNP would fall away. Look at Fianna Fail in Ireland. I haven't examined the future status of separatist parties in other countries that have become independent, but parties don't tend to just walk away from guaranteed power. It's not really about falling away or leaving others to the party. I'm not convinced by the supposed comparison with Rep. of Ireland, you're dealing with very different countries and very different times. Scotland arguably already has a developed party system. The SNP would probably be the biggest party for the first couple of elections. Their discipline comes comes from the aim of independence. Similarly, the SNP vote is split along left and right, independence supporters and soft Yes voters and soft No voters. The discipline will fall away and the vote will fall away. I like the SNP and agree with most of what they stand for, as it stands. I'm a good example, in that I do vote SNP to get independence. Afterwards, I'll maybe vote SNP, but probably be a Green or Radical Independence voter (assuming talks ongoing about establishing RIC as a united Left party post-independence.) But, after a No. The SNP will be in government in Scotland until another referendum, easily. Just look at Catalonia for an indicator of the way in which a centrist, nationalist party can dominate these type of elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 He blames salmond for the death of his club I dont blame Salmond at all but he was only too happy to stand at the sidelines and point the finger at those responsible for the mismanagement & demise of one of Scotland's greatest sporting institutions whilst doing f*ck all to help try and sort it out, as for Nicola Sturgeon MSP for Govan!!? Ah forget it.. Its what the SNP are all about, great at pissing on someone else!! National Socialists my arse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaven Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Can we rely on a New Scottish Labour putting Scotland first before their party, or will the UK Labour still have a large sway over them? For me, Scottish Labour will need to break all ties with UK Labour to become electable. Cant see that happening. Labour first. Country second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Can we rely on a New Scottish Labour putting Scotland first before their party, or will the UK Labour still have a large sway over them? For me, Scottish Labour will need to break all ties with UK Labour to become electable. Cant see that happening. Labour first. Country second. Political parties are guilty of putting their party before what's best for the country quite often, simply because another party came up with the idea and they don't want them to get the credit. Have you only just started following politics recently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I dont blame Salmond at all but he was only too happy to stand at the sidelines and point the finger at those responsible for the mismanagement & demise of one of Scotland's greatest sporting institutions whilst doing f*ck all to help try and sort it out, as for Nicola Sturgeon MSP for Govan!!? Ah forget it.. Its what the SNP are all about, great at pissing on someone else!! National Socialists my arse! Would you prefer them to be National Socialists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Deep breath - IT'S NOT ABOUT THE SCOTTISH NATIONAL PARTY !!! That's better. It is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I'm voting Yes and I'm certainly not doing it for the SNP. Think of it this way. Only TWICE since World War 2 have the Scottish electorate had any meaningful say in who gets voted in in Westminster. With a Scottish electorate voting for a Scottish government in an independent Scotland, your vote counts every single time you vote. Don't like the SNP? Vote them out! Ideally, in an independent Scotland, I would love to vote for Scottish Labour. Not this current mob of charlatans and idiots who jump when London HQ tells them. A revitalised Scottish Labour that actually does what Labour should do. Surely you can see the appeal there Rob? I admire your optimism mate, but I honestly dont see a revitalised Labour party in Scotland in the next few crucial years! and by then it may well be too late. No way should the future shape of Scotland be dominated by the SNP, and after a Yes vote it definitely will be. Having said that, there's some fantastic posts on here that offer a proper and honest insight to how people feel and their reasons for how they'll vote! Its all good stuff! just hope and believe it will be a No come Sept. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Would you prefer them to be National Socialists? Sorry you didn't get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YassinMoutaouakil Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Sorry you didn't get that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 I admire your optimism mate, but I honestly dont see a revitalised Labour party in Scotland in the next few crucial years! and by then it may well be too late. No way should the future shape of Scotland be dominated by the SNP, and after a Yes vote it definitely will be. Having said that, there's some fantastic posts on here that offer a proper and honest insight to how people feel and their reasons for how they'll vote! Its all good stuff! just hope and believe it will be a No come Sept. Cheers If the SNP gets to dominate the future of Scotland then it's because of the complacency of the other parties. They would only have themselves to blame. On the other hand, I can't imagine that the other parties would be so blatantly thick and irresponsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 If the SNP gets to dominate the future of Scotland then it's because of the complacency of the other parties. They would only have themselves to blame. On the other hand, I can't imagine that the other parties would be so blatantly thick and irresponsible. That thought is really testing me at the moment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Confidemus Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's good enough for Yes supporters. And when they do try to back up their claims they link you to a blog. A blog! Better a link to a blog than the f**k all reasons you provide for your shitebag vote. It is though. Of course it's not about the SNP. This vote will affect Scotland for hundreds of years to come. For me, it's simply and purely about what is best for the country of Scotland and it's people now and for the long term future. You must see that this vote is so much bigger than the SNP. I admire your optimism mate, but I honestly dont see a revitalised Labour party in Scotland in the next few crucial years! and by then it may well be too late. No way should the future shape of Scotland be dominated by the SNP, and after a Yes vote it definitely will be. Having said that, there's some fantastic posts on here that offer a proper and honest insight to how people feel and their reasons for how they'll vote! Its all good stuff! just hope and believe it will be a No come Sept. Cheers Too late in what way? Alex Salmond isn't Emperor Palpatine. Your No is a Yes to Westminster. A yes to austerity. A yes to inequality. A yes to Trident. A yes to HS1 and 2. A yes to marginalisation and victimisation of the poor and vulnerable of this country. A yes to Scottish votes not counting in a general election. A yes to privatisation of the NHS. I'm glad your conscience can handle all that. Mine can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 You know everything, Jon Snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 After a No vote fracking at Loch Lomond is a certainty it seems. http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/newsdesk/energy/analysis/environmental-impact-14th-round It's utterly disgraceful that they are doing this in national parks. WM can really do whatever the f**k they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N1ck Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 It's not really about falling away or leaving others to the party. I'm not convinced by the supposed comparison with Rep. of Ireland, you're dealing with very different countries and very different times. Scotland arguably already has a developed party system. The SNP would probably be the biggest party for the first couple of elections. Their discipline comes comes from the aim of independence. Similarly, the SNP vote is split along left and right, independence supporters and soft Yes voters and soft No voters. The discipline will fall away and the vote will fall away. I like the SNP and agree with most of what they stand for, as it stands. I'm a good example, in that I do vote SNP to get independence. Afterwards, I'll maybe vote SNP, but probably be a Green or Radical Independence voter (assuming talks ongoing about establishing RIC as a united Left party post-independence.) But, after a No. The SNP will be in government in Scotland until another referendum, easily. Just look at Catalonia for an indicator of the way in which a centrist, nationalist party can dominate these type of elections. Surely Radical Independence wouldn't call themselves Radical Independence after Independence Man, imagine them trying to actually run a nation. Doesn't bear thinking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thepundit Posted August 1, 2014 Share Posted August 1, 2014 Better a link to a blog than the f**k all reasons you provide for your shitebag vote. Is it. But you said my only reason was that I'm a Rangers fan. You seem very angry. Keep going, though. It's good for the No vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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