Ira Gaines Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Hmm. Looks like I was wrong about it not being Supras. At least we know they'll be banned soon then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 What luxury items? His selection of combat knives and "a machetes". Well, you've got to spoil yourself, haven't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calum_gers Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 It's almost as if the labour government changed the way crime was reported from 1998... Just came on to say that. The year after the act, little change, then how was the figures were reported was changed and they shot up. Doesn't take a genius to work it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 - 67% of British residents surveyed believed that “As a result of gun and knife crime [rising], the area I live in is not as safe as it was five years ago. (YouGov)- U.K. street robberies soared 28% in 2001. Violent crime was up 11%, murders up 4%, and rapes were up 14%.- This trend continued in the U.K in 2004 with a 10% increase in street crime, 8% increase in muggings, and a 22% increase in robberies.- In 1919, before they had any gun control, the U.K. had a homicide rate that was 8% of the U.S. rate. By 1986, and after enacting significant gun control, the rate was 9% practically unchanged.- “… [There is] nothing in the statistics for England and Wales to suggest that either the stricter controls on handguns prior to 1997 or the ban imposed since have controlled access to such firearms by criminals.” - Colin Greenwood- Comparing crime rates between America and Britain is fundamentally flawed. In America, a gun crime is recorded as a gun crime. In Britain, a crime is only recorded when there is a final disposition (a conviction). All unsolved gun crimes in Britain are not reported as gun crimes, grossly undercounting the amount of gun crime there. To make matters worse, British law enforcement has been exposed for falsifying criminal reports to create falsely lower crime figures, in part to preserve tourism.- An ongoing parliamentary inquiry in Britain into the growing number of black market weapons has concluded that there are more than three million illegally held firearms in circulation – double the number believed to have been held 10 years ago – and that criminals are more willing than ever to use them. One in three criminals under the age of 25 possesses or has access to a firearm.Oh my. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Joseph Stalin Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That is totally fucking stupid. Actually might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum. Can just imagine some boy holding up a bank hostage sitting in his ford fiesta screaming 'don't fucking phone the polis or I'll run you over you c**t' whilst revving furiously He didn't say hold up a bank he said commit mass murder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 That is totally fucking stupid. Actually might be the stupidest thing I've ever read on this forum. Can just imagine some boy holding up a bank hostage sitting in his ford fiesta screaming 'don't fucking phone the polis or I'll run you over you c**t' whilst revving furiously No, that response is fucking stupid. People rob stores with machetes and hammers, people DO NOT need a gun to commit crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Seems Britain has a real issue with how it records crime statistics.Hey, at least there's no guns right? Stats said they don't exist."Turns out I wasn't shot after all, guy wasn't found and convicted so it didn't happen"Jesus, I feel quite bad for you all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 No, that response is fucking stupid. People rob stores with machetes and hammers, people DO NOT need a gun to commit crime. No they don't, but they help, if they were legal and easily accessible could you imagine the bother that would cause?!? As others have said it's much easier to defend yourself against any other weapon. You're clearly a fucking nutter if you own combat knives and machetes so I'm understanding your stance on this, YJS thinking that everyone having the right to a firearm would make the UK safer however. Fucking hell... And you compared a fucking car to a gun. That's stupid mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 as is the case now with my machetes, combat knives and such. Sorry just catching up. Please define and such. Be very specific........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 In 1919, before they had any gun control, the U.K. had a homicide rate that was 8% of the U.S. rate. By 1986, and after enacting significant gun control, the rate was 9% practically unchanged. So in 100 years a backward ass country that had advanced to being the planet's premier superpower still had a murder rate 10 times that of a country that had gone from being the planet's premium superpower to a backward ass country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So in 100 years a backward ass country that had advanced to being the planet's premier superpower still had a murder rate 10 times that of a country that had gone from being the planet's premium superpower to a backward ass country. Interesting take on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Sorry just catching up. Please define and such. Be very specific........... All perfectly legal to own "and such's", rest assured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 No they don't, but they help, if they were legal and easily accessible could you imagine the bother that would cause?!? As others have said it's much easier to defend yourself against any other weapon. You're clearly a fucking nutter if you own combat knives and machetes so I'm understanding your stance on this, YJS thinking that everyone having the right to a firearm would make the UK safer however. Fucking hell... And you compared a fucking car to a gun. That's stupid mate. Clearly. No, I never said it would make the country safer. I've been over this several times, read the rest of the thread. Alright, I guess if it's easier (in some ways) to defend myself against a knife they just aren't deadly in the wrong hands then. No, your inability to understand the comparison to cars is what's stupid. Intentionally so, I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
williemillersmoustache Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Are St Mirren going to stay up this season without Kenny Mclean? Hmm those are interesting figures..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So in 100 years a backward ass country that had advanced to being the planet's premier superpower still had a murder rate 10 times that of a country that had gone from being the planet's premium superpower to a backward ass country. The word is arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dufc1980 Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 - "Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More than 3,000 crimes involving handguns were recorded in 1999-2000, including 42 homicides, 310 cases of attempted murder, 2,561 robberies and 204 burglaries."And that's even with the UK's deceitful methods of recording crime statistics.- "Between 1997 and 1999, there were 429 murders in London, the highest two-year figure for more than 10 years – nearly two-thirds of those involved firearms – in a country that has virtually banned private firearm ownership."- "The U.K. has strict gun control and a rising homicide rate of 1.4 per 100,000. Switzerland has the highest per capita firearm ownership rate on the planet (all males age 20 to 42 are required to keep rifles or pistols at home) and has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000."- “… the scale of gun crime in the capital [London] has forced senior officers to set up a specialist unit to deal with … shootings.”At least we don't need to worry about gun crime here in the UK though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 here in the UK though. Aye right. Again, numbers, but no sources.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Aye right. Again, numbers, but no sources.. gunfacts.info m8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 - "Handgun homicides in England and Wales reached an all-time high in 2000, years after a virtual ban on private handgun ownership. More than 3,000 crimes involving handguns were recorded in 1999-2000, including 42 homicides, 310 cases of attempted murder, 2,561 robberies and 204 burglaries." And that's even with the UK's deceitful methods of recording crime statistics.- "Between 1997 and 1999, there were 429 murders in London, the highest two-year figure for more than 10 years – nearly two-thirds of those involved firearms – in a country that has virtually banned private firearm ownership."- "The U.K. has strict gun control and a rising homicide rate of 1.4 per 100,000. Switzerland has the highest per capita firearm ownership rate on the planet (all males age 20 to 42 are required to keep rifles or pistols at home) and has a homicide rate of 1.2 per 100,000."- “… the scale of gun crime in the capital [London] has forced senior officers to set up a specialist unit to deal with … shootings.” At least we don't need to worry about gun crime here in the UK though. Our 'homicide' rate is 0.9 per 100,000 Switzerland's homicide rate (by firearm only) is 3.84 It's like your source material is dreadfully skewed. I wonder if they have an agenda... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 So you are suggesting we should all be living in constant fear as Britain is in fact a society of unreported gun crime? Interesting. I also appreciated your comparison with 100 years ago. I'm just a bit gutted that you stopped there. The middle ages were known for their liberal gun laws and look at the levels of violence in their society (after all Wallace and co ran amok at Stirling Bridge and that was f**k all do with firearms). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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