All things Dundee FC

[neildundee]

1 hour ago, This Charming Man said:

That's just it @Bigmouth Strikes Again, figures quoted in the region of £130m. Crikey!!

Yet, we do not possess the finance to sign a proven performer at this lower level such as Simon Murray to change the shape of the season, plus the fact unable to offer a new contract as yet to Paul McMullan, not a favourite of mine, however very popular on P&B for his application.

Honestly have the feeling Jack Ross and the other Hibee sacking reject fucking laughed at Nelms' and Strachan last summer.

Merely my opinion, truly hope I'm wrong.

Regards.

I can ask Jack Ross tomorrow. He is doing a coach education course I'm going on in Philadelphia tomorrow.

[Crawford]

58 minutes ago, Fifespud said:

It’s beginning to feel like the end of the road for the Americans. Maybe they’ve realised that the New Campy project is a dead duck and the hum drum nature of normal operations has lost any sparkle. We seem to be down to the bare minimum in terms of cash. 
I hope we are wrong, maybe a bit of knicker wetting, but this has a bad vibe to it. 

Keyes did say 4+ years ago, pre COVID, that he was expecting to see $ by then and he was still throwing money in to fill the gaps.

His main thing was getting the new place built to generate income and spend less on maintenance. COVID + cost of living going up globally won't have hit him too much personally, but projects undoubtedly just got a lot more expensive.

One of the Ross's just pointed out they secured funding in December so maybe it is just knicker wetting to fill the silence.

[johnnydun]

It'll ah be fine boys.

Da worry aboot it. 

[RossBFaeDundee]

This page shows what happens when boredom sets in.

[Girth]

8 hours ago, neildundee said:

I can ask Jack Ross tomorrow. He is doing a coach education course I'm going on in Philadelphia tomorrow.

Yes please. 

Thank you. 

[Fifespud]

7 hours ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

This page shows what happens when boredom sets in.

You’d have to admit there seems to be a change. 2 windows where we are fighting the bin men for scraps. 
The late call off is also concerning. They’re all out at Dundee College which won’t help but an engaged CEO would see rain and think ‘let’s get the pitch inspecting early’ . 
On a positive note we don’t have to worry about who is leaving anymore, now Robinson is gone. 

[hk blues]

It's been pissing down since Monday where I am, and it's usually the best month for the weather.

This thread has fair cheered me up though!

 

[Pens_Dark]

I can't help but feel Bowyer was sold Dundee on false pretenses. He hasn't been backed in the way that he clearly wants up to date and the courier published an article with the title basically saying 'Back him or risk losing him'. That may be complete bollocks and not in Bowyers thoughts...but it may also be true. 

It would be in typical Dundee fashion that we bring in a seasoned manager and don't back him in the transfer market after throwing money at previous rookie managers. 

I'd have thought given the fairly underwhelming window we had in the summer that we would have had targets to get through the door early on in January...instead we have lost our best striker.

Pull the finger out and back our manager ffs!

Edited January 12 by Pens_Dark

[Boo Khaki]

I think it might well be the end of January before we see anything of substance happen. It was clear in the summer we were having to try and trim a bloated squad, which we didn't really manage to do, so I think we need more than just McGinn out the door to free up wages, plus other sides that we will be looking to loan players from or pick up after release will currently be pursuing their own targets so a lot of those players won't actually become available until the last part of the window in any case.

We need to bear in mind the market we operate in now. We're not a club that is going to go spending significant fees on players in a January window, so we're really at the mercy of other clubs taking care of their own business beforehand, and probably getting one or two more out of the door ourselves in the meantime.

Edited January 12 by Boo Khaki

[Dee Bliss]

Not sure where the lack of funding is coming from. From the outside we look like we’re easily the team with the biggest budget in the league. The problem lies with the shite the previous manager signed and has our finances tied up in. 
 

Come the end of January if there is little activity through the IN door at Dens then I will be a bit peeved that the Rangers cup game and the Cummings World Cup money hasn’t been reinvested into the 1st team, not on what has been invested so far this season. Sensible hat on…they’ve covered enough losses over their time here to feel like additional money like mentioned above goes into their hipper. 
 

Who in their right mind would give Chapman and McGinn the rumoured 5k between them in wages this time last year. That investment could’ve and should’ve made a huge difference 12 months ago if used properly. Doubt even many of us on here would’ve signed those 2 if you’d saw them play this time last year. McPake said on Twitter to a Dundee fan that he’d saw Chapman play, beggars belief he then signed him.

Edited January 12 by Yenitit

[Girth]

Don't worry lads. 

I'm scouting my bollocks off. 

[Fifespud]

24 minutes ago, Yenitit said:

Not sure where the lack of funding is coming from. From the outside we look like we’re easily the team with the biggest budget in the league. The problem lies with the shite the previous manager signed and has our finances tied up in. 
 

Come the end of January if there is little activity through the IN door at Dens then I will be a bit peeved that the Rangers cup game and the Cummings World Cup money hasn’t been reinvested into the 1st team, not on what has been invested so far this season. Sensible hat on…they’ve covered enough losses over their time here to feel like additional money like mentioned above goes into their hipper. 
 

Who in their right mind would give Chapman and McGinn the rumoured 5k between them in wages this time last year. That investment could’ve and should’ve made a huge difference 12 months ago if used properly. Doubt even many of us on here would’ve signed those 2 if you’d saw them play this time last year. McPake said on Twitter to a Dundee fan that he’d saw Chapman play, beggars belief he then signed him.

It all comes back to Nelms though - managers will chap the Chief Exec's door all the time, he needs to know when to say 'f**k off son'.

[Fifespud]

2 minutes ago, Girth said:

Don't worry lads. 

I'm scouting my bollocks off. 

Watched 'Hustle' on Netflix last night. Very enjoyable 'feel good' movie. We need to find a Bo Cruz.

[Bigmouth Strikes Again]

29 minutes ago, Girth said:

Don't worry lads. 

I'm scouting my bollocks off. 

That you on the right? Got John Lennon on the left and a fat McPake in the middle.

Thank you.

[Girth]

3 minutes ago, Bigmouth Strikes Again said:

That you on the right? Got John Lennon on the left and a fat McPake in the middle.

Thank you.

We're a hell of a team. 

[Boo Khaki]

1 hour ago, Yenitit said:

Not sure where the lack of funding is coming from. From the outside we look like we’re easily the team with the biggest budget in the league. The problem lies with the shite the previous manager signed and has our finances tied up in. 
 

Come the end of January if there is little activity through the IN door at Dens then I will be a bit peeved that the Rangers cup game and the Cummings World Cup money hasn’t been reinvested into the 1st team, not on what has been invested so far this season. Sensible hat on…they’ve covered enough losses over their time here to feel like additional money like mentioned above goes into their hipper. 
 

Who in their right mind would give Chapman and McGinn the rumoured 5k between them in wages this time last year. That investment could’ve and should’ve made a huge difference 12 months ago if used properly. Doubt even many of us on here would’ve signed those 2 if you’d saw them play this time last year. McPake said on Twitter to a Dundee fan that he’d saw Chapman play, beggars belief he then signed him.

Only real justification I can see for that is they might have felt that if overpaying a couple of players kept us in the Premiership then that was a gamble worth taking. It failed, so they're not willing to do the exact same thing this January in order to gamble on getting back up there. Irrespective of what any fan thinks of McPake and the players he signed, at that particular point in time he was the manager that Nelms had appointed, so it's reasonable for Nelms to take the view that the manager knows best and back him to sign the players he says he needs. Given that faith wasn't repaid, then I can see why they will be reluctant to do the same thing all over again even though it's with a different manager.

TBH, I know I've said plenty of times on here that it galls me a bit that Dundee FC appear to be one of the teams that is pathologically incapable of living within it's own means, so as much as a lack of signings is frustrating in terms of what it might mean for results on the pitch, there's a part of me that would actually respect some leadership at the club deciding that the continual cycle of huge losses and underwriting a playing budget that the club can't support off it's own back needs to be brought to an end. 

I doubt that the yanks thought for one moment that 9 years on from appointing Paul Hartley the club would be in pretty much an identical league position to where they were at that point. There was a lot made about their plan for us becoming a self-sustaining club. Clearly it hasn't gone as intended on the pitch and that no doubt has consequences for the progress elsewhere, but I don't think it changes the ultimate intent of turning a continual loss-making venture into one that pays for itself, it's just a question of exactly when that becomes reality and what level the club stabilises at. Even if I had Keyes' level of wealth, and my life-long affinity for the club, I wouldn't just indefinitely swallow the losses either, not because I couldn't afford it or because I don't care to, but because it doesn't actually benefit the club long-term. As soon as I'm gone there's no guarantee there's going to be anyone else around to pick up the slack. It's kinda like the commitment parents make when having kids. Sure, you expect to have to parent them for a while, but not still housing, feeding, clothing, and wiping their arse for them when they are middle-aged.

[RossBFaeDundee]

For what it's worth, and if only to break the idea that nothing is happening:

 

[Crawford]

7 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

For what it's worth, and if only to break the idea that nothing is happening:

 

The irons referring to POTENTIAL BUYERS BECAUSE THE AMERICANS HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF US AND HATE SCOTLAND!

Spoiler

For the avoidance of doubt this is a joke.

 

[Dee Bliss]

2 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

Only real justification I can see for that is they might have felt that if overpaying a couple of players kept us in the Premiership then that was a gamble worth taking. It failed, so they're not willing to do the exact same thing this January in order to gamble on getting back up there. Irrespective of what any fan thinks of McPake and the players he signed, at that particular point in time he was the manager that Nelms had appointed, so it's reasonable for Nelms to take the view that the manager knows best and back him to sign the players he says he needs. Given that faith wasn't repaid, then I can see why they will be reluctant to do the same thing all over again even though it's with a different manager.

TBH, I know I've said plenty of times on here that it galls me a bit that Dundee FC appear to be one of the teams that is pathologically incapable of living within it's own means, so as much as a lack of signings is frustrating in terms of what it might mean for results on the pitch, there's a part of me that would actually respect some leadership at the club deciding that the continual cycle of huge losses and underwriting a playing budget that the club can't support off it's own back needs to be brought to an end. 

I doubt that the yanks thought for one moment that 9 years on from appointing Paul Hartley the club would be in pretty much an identical league position to where they were at that point. There was a lot made about their plan for us becoming a self-sustaining club. Clearly it hasn't gone as intended on the pitch and that no doubt has consequences for the progress elsewhere, but I don't think it changes the ultimate intent of turning a continual loss-making venture into one that pays for itself, it's just a question of exactly when that becomes reality and what level the club stabilises at. Even if I had Keyes' level of wealth, and my life-long affinity for the club, I wouldn't just indefinitely swallow the losses either, not because I couldn't afford it or because I don't care to, but because it doesn't actually benefit the club long-term. As soon as I'm gone there's no guarantee there's going to be anyone else around to pick up the slack. It's kinda like the commitment parents make when having kids. Sure, you expect to have to parent them for a while, but not still housing, feeding, clothing, and wiping their arse for them when they are middle-aged.

Brilliant post. I was having a pop at McPake rather than the owners. 
 

I’m still not totally convinced by Bowyer (1st half ineptitude to regular) but early signs are he’s a half decent manager compared to the previous 3 incumbents.  The problem appears to be he isn’t being backed like the previous 3 possibly because of their errors. 

[Crawford]

Bowyer has been the best manager we've had in the last well....ever.

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Why is his ability to manage even a question?