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Yeah, I'm in no way contending that McPake didn't waste the funds that were made available. Some of the signings over the past couple of years have been questionable to say the least. What the f**k were they thinking even offering Griffiths a deal? Absolute madness, but then you have to assume that most of the impetus and input with regard to transfer and signing targets comes from the manager, so it's correct and proper that executive staff defer to coaching staff in that particular area, so when we sign duds like Chapman and McGinn the bulk of the blame should lie with the coaching staff that wanted these players. There is a bit of a long running theme at Dens though of Nelms seemingly being happy to sanction the signing of complete turnips and back known mediocre managers to the hilt, so I totally get the frustration that he's apparently unable or unwilling to do the same for Bowyer. It is possible though that they have just decided enough is enough, and I don't think they could be blamed after watching McCann, McIntyre, and McPake achieve bugger all despite the backing.

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The real impetus for getting promoted this year is that there's no real stand-out team in the Championship like there perhaps has been for most of the past while. No Killie, no Hearts, no Hibs, no United, so staying here means it's more likely that we'll encounter one of those sooner rather than later. However... where we are right now is that we're pretty much still the exact same squad that got it's arse felt in the Premiership last season, minus Charlie Adam, so I'm honestly not 100% convinced that squeaking this league by a point over Queens Park or Ayr and going up in a totally unready state would be an entirely positive thing. I'd be more confident with a couple of new faces in before the end of the month and then a bit more added to the squad in the summer, but as things stand I reckon we'd just get battered every weekend and Bowyer would likely be punted a year from now whether it's actually his fault or no.

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52 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

Ollie Crankshaw has joined Motherwell on loan.

Quite surprised at that, have seen him twice recently for Stockport and felt he struggled in League 2, the odd flash of skill but easily brushed off the ball.

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1 minute ago, eindhovendee said:

Quite surprised at that, have seen him twice recently for Stockport and felt he struggled in League 2, the odd flash of skill but easily brushed off the ball.

Surprised he's went backwards or not kicked on - thought he started slow with us but was getting better every game and beginning to look a player just as our season was ended.

Can't be any worse than Andy Dales in the top flight!

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11 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said:

A certain former manager is fair winding up DABs on Twitter just now.

It’s been a good read. If he learns to be a proper manager I’d have him back after this fine display 

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10 hours ago, Boo Khaki said:

The real impetus for getting promoted this year is that there's no real stand-out team in the Championship...

We were supposed to be that stand-out team.  

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Bowyer on McGowan in today's Courier:

"McGowan was out running on Thursday. He had a setback for a couple of weeks but he’s back running again. He went to see a specialist for an update. It’s one of those bone bruising-type things and it’s a case of how long is a piece of string for how long those take. The way Paul plays, a lot of twisting and turning, he just has to let it settle down. We had another look at it to make sure it’s OK. But he’s going the right way.

It’ll be like a new signing having him back.

And it’s been quiet on a match day, put it that way!”

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3 hours ago, hk blues said:

We were supposed to be that stand-out team.  

Hmm...

No sure if you're being sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek, but personally I never thought we were anything approaching that level. This is more or less the same squad that finished miles off the pace two seasons ago and was utterly reliant on Charlie Adam single-handedly dragging the team on, so I don't view us as anything like a 'fallen giant' that are really playing well below where we should be. Without Adam we'd have been a mid-table team the last time we were in the Championship, and lo and behold we're in a dogfight with 3 or 4 other teams this time around. I don't think we're underachieving at all, we're right where I expected us to be given the evidence of the past 3-4 seasons.

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8 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Hmm...

No sure if you're being sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek, but personally I never thought we were anything approaching that level. This is more or less the same squad that finished miles off the pace two seasons ago and was utterly reliant on Charlie Adam single-handedly dragging the team on, so I don't view us as anything like a 'fallen giant' that are really playing well below where we should be. Without Adam we'd have been a mid-table team the last time we were in the Championship, and lo and behold we're in a dogfight with 3 or 4 other teams this time around. I don't think we're underachieving at all, we're right where I expected us to be given the evidence of the past 3-4 seasons.

Neither.

Given how inconsistent we have been all season we're still bookies favourite to go straight back up, and by some way.  

Let's see how it pans out come the end of the season.

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How much of that is down to folk lumping money on Dundee though, rather than the bookies making a judgement and thinking 'Aye, that squad is gonna batter everyone and run away with that division by 15 points"?, which is kinda what I was getting at when I said there isn't a team in the league of that calibre this season.

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1 minute ago, Boo Khaki said:

How much of that is down to folk lumping money on Dundee though, rather than the bookies making a judgement and thinking 'Aye, that squad is gonna batter everyone and run away with that division by 15 points"?, which is kinda what I was getting at when I said there isn't a team in the league of that calibre this season.

I still think, based on the teams in the league at the start of the season, we were the standout team in the eyes of many, and not only the bookies.  I don't recall the concensus on this forum but certainly on another Dee forum the concensus was firmly we were a shoe-in to go up.  

I still think we will. 

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45 minutes ago, Boo Khaki said:

Hmm...

No sure if you're being sarcastic/tongue-in-cheek, but personally I never thought we were anything approaching that level. This is more or less the same squad that finished miles off the pace two seasons ago and was utterly reliant on Charlie Adam single-handedly dragging the team on, so I don't view us as anything like a 'fallen giant' that are really playing well below where we should be. Without Adam we'd have been a mid-table team the last time we were in the Championship, and lo and behold we're in a dogfight with 3 or 4 other teams this time around. I don't think we're underachieving at all, we're right where I expected us to be given the evidence of the past 3-4 seasons.

I agree with you that this squad (quality, not quantity) is not as good as we all hoped it would be at this stage of Bowyer’s tenure.  What is different though is we are not being managed by the youth coach.  A coach that had no experience whatsoever of managing an senior team - not at League 2 level, juniors level or even amateur level.  Charlie was more than just a player the season we got promoted.

Truly unbelievable that Nelms would think it was a good idea to give McPake his first chance in management knowing how important it was that we got promoted.  Actually it’s not that surprising, given what had gone before!


 

 

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TBF to Bowyer, he has came into a club where he has had to work, in the most part, with a squad that's already signed up. He brought in players in places he saw that needed competition and improvement, from research only. He has now worked with the guys for a period of time and now knows the level of football we play at in Scotland compared to England, the more French/Robinson level and not the Grayson level.

I hope he has a season like how his games go. Notice the problems in the first half and correct them and make changes for the 2nd half.

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