Ludo*1 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Source is Radio Scotland, but it's been revealed he's refused the deal of new powers for Scotland. Well, I didn't see that one coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That could make things a bit tricky... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 He's refused to sign up to Cameron's plan not refused to sign up for more powers, but it's a fudge anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 THE KING, on 19 Sept 2014 - 15:30, said:He's refused to sign up to Cameron's plan not refused to sign up for more powers, but it's a fudge anyway Essentially the same thing, Labour won't sign up to the Tories plans and the Tories won't sign up to Labour's plans, hence creating a vacuum whereby we get nothing. Scotland is shafted (Perhaps deservedly so). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Wow ,who else didn't see this coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoopy1967 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 So surprising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 He's not rejecting any new powers for Scotland. He's rejecting the English side of the equation that Cameron put forward. Bold move, and one that I theoretically agree with, but I can't see it working out for him. Cameron can just say 'accept it all or reject it all' knowing that Miliband cannot risk the Labour vote in Scotland and would have to accept the whole thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redvine Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 That'll be Gordons timetable fucked then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Saintee Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I do not believe this turn of events. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 jmothecat, on 19 Sept 2014 - 15:36, said: He's not rejecting any new powers for Scotland. He's rejecting the English side of the equation that Cameron put forward. Bold move, and one that I theoretically agree with, but I can't see it working out for him. Cameron can just say 'accept it all or reject it all' knowing that Miliband cannot risk the Labour vote in Scotland and would have to accept the whole thing. I thought all three had agreed on their pledge?! Oh that's right, they didn't agree on absolutely anything specifically and just gave the pretence that they did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Oh my goodness I'm sooooo surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I thought all three had agreed on their pledge?! Oh that's right, they didn't agree on absolutely anything specifically and just gave the pretence that they did. The agreement was on the Scottish issue, not on the English one. Miliband is saying he doesn't agree with the English aspect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE KING Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Cameron 2 years ago..... By a Newsnet reporter UK Prime Minister David Cameron has flatly ruled out any extension to tax raising powers for Scotland beyond the proposals contained in the Scotland Bill which is currently going through the Westminster Parliament. The Prime Minister also refuses to consider devolving any part of the benefits system to Holyrood, according to reports in today's Scotland on Sunday. According to the newspaper, a spokesperson for the Conservative Prime Minister has described additional powers for the Scottish Parliament as "inconsistent" with remaining a part of the United Kingdom. If Scots desire greater control over their own affairs, they will have no option but to choose independence. The UK government believes that a single UK tax and benefits system is the "heart" of the UK, and will not countenance devolving any of these powers to Holyrood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The agreement was on the Scottish issue, not on the English one. Miliband is saying he doesn't agree with the English aspect. He has spotted that Cameron has him backed into a corner on this in relation to the Labours dependence on Scottish MP's. <at WM> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ando Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There is now way this vow was just a move to appease undecided voters, no way, no fucking way. Can't believe the cynics on here... In fact it's probably been carved up this way, Labour don't agree to one offer, Tories don't agree to the other so they both know neither will be introduced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AeroZeppelin Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 He's not rejecting any new powers for Scotland. He's rejecting the English side of the equation that Cameron put forward. Bold move, and one that I theoretically agree with, but I can't see it working out for him. Cameron can just say 'accept it all or reject it all' knowing that Miliband cannot risk the Labour vote in Scotland and would have to accept the whole thing. You're the stupidest person ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This will now become a reshaping of the entire UK political system. The WM elite system is archaic and not fir for purpose. All of the UK needs to pull together on getting this right for all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 This will now become a reshaping of the entire UK political system. The WM elite system is archaic and not fir for purpose. All of the UK needs to pull together on getting this right for all. You're right. Hopefully some unelected peers will be put in charge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 He's not rejecting any new powers for Scotland. He's rejecting the English side of the equation that Cameron put forward. Bold move, and one that I theoretically agree with, but I can't see it working out for him. Cameron can just say 'accept it all or reject it all' knowing that Miliband cannot risk the Labour vote in Scotland and would have to accept the whole thing. Miliband has quite possibly just lost Labour the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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