renton Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Isn't this where leafleting and canvassing is supposed to come into effect? Social media is a good way of spreading ideas and opinions, but it's doubtlessly true it can also prove damaging when idiots use it as a platform to spout bile. I'm only half serious. Fact is Yes were neve rgonna shift that demographic. They needed to be further ahead in the other groups and didn't manage it. C'est la vie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Can't really stand Ed Milliband, but he's right on this one. Scotland should get the new power promised in the timescale promised, but the English question shouldn't be tagged onto it. It's Cameron trying to get it through via the back door. IMO there needs to be devolution of powers to the English regions and not just some rushed English votes for English powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm only half serious. Fact is Yes were neve rgonna shift that demographic. They needed to be further ahead in the other groups and didn't manage it. C'est la vie. Or another way of looking at it is that the social media crew failed in their attempt to stomp on the older generation. Old dudes 1 - Wee Fannies 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Can't really stand Ed Milliband, but he's right on this one. Scotland should get the new power promised in the timescale promised, but the English question shouldn't be tagged onto it. It's Cameron trying to get it through via the back door. IMO there needs to be devolution of powers to the English regions and not just some rushed English votes for English powers. The English question isn't going to easy to answer. The North East rejected a regional assembly not so long ago, although I personally don't think regional assemblies are a bad idea. I support devolution for England, whether in the form of regional assemblies or an English parliament, though my personal view is an English parliament might not be much use as it won't really be much more representative than Westminster already is. It works in Scotland/NI/Wales due to comparatively smaller populations, but might not on a large scale. Local assemblies/parliaments would counteract that (and the London assembly is a starting point), but could be perceived as some as not really being the same as Scotland etc. Your next point is looking at council areas/cities and devolving power, although this would be cumbersome and again not really an 'equal' settlement in some regards. Then again, local government in England is already an inconsistent, baffling clusterfuck, so maybe it'll work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I can't believe you're so clueless about this. All those people expecting WM to change. Dear god. Yes because things never change NOT EVER!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Now you want us to help with Merseyside's problem with Westminster? I've seen it all now. The English debate will happen now regardless, thanks to you Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Changing your tune a bit, eh. What happened to the Vote No because we can all work together? I still believe this could happen. People here are sympathetic to your cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The English question isn't going to easy to answer. The North East rejected a regional assembly not so long ago, although I personally don't think regional assemblies are a bad idea. I support devolution for England, whether in the form of regional assemblies or an English parliament, though my personal view is an English parliament might not be much use as it won't really be much more representative than Westminster already is. It works in Scotland/NI/Wales due to comparatively smaller populations, but might not on a large scale. Local assemblies/parliaments would counteract that (and the London assembly is a starting point), but could be perceived as some as not really being the same as Scotland etc. Your next point is looking at council areas/cities and devolving power, although this would be cumbersome and again not really an 'equal' settlement in some regards. Then again, local government in England is already an inconsistent, baffling clusterfuck, so maybe it'll work. Good post. It's far too important to just tag onto the side of the Scottish powers only months before the general election. Should be seperate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They have to get this right or it will simply be a perfect example of how WM is goosed and not fit for purpose. When you talk about Westminster, and many others, it's usually linked to politicians. Whilst politicians come and go the Establishment that sits behind the politicians, the Civil Service and it's many tentacles, is the unsinkable ship. Yesterday was our chance. Everything else now is just spitting peas at a battleship. As for those who didn't see this coming? Of course they did, they just chose to ignore it. Drew the curtains and hoped everyone else on the outside would make it all work. Well, it's fucked now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes because things never change NOT EVER!. And if we demo because of this in the future, there better not be any of the silent majority there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 And if we demo because of this in the future, there better not be any of the silent majority there. Why, you are all Scots aren't you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Yes because things never change NOT EVER!. That's quite a blanket statement that covers pretty much everything in the universe. Not especially useful here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why, you are all Scots aren't you? Depends. I personally cant understand the notion of being Scots AND British. 55pc obviously do though and have fell for the WM lies again. Why should I accept them standing next to me and voicing their frustration if this turns out to be true ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DigOutYourSoul Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Depends. I personally cant understand the notion of being Scots AND British. 55pc obviously do though and have fell for the WM lies again. Why should I accept them standing next to me and voicing their frustration if this turns out to be true ? Because that's democracy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jambo-rocker Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 He's not rejecting any new powers for Scotland. He's rejecting the English side of the equation that Cameron put forward. Bold move, and one that I theoretically agree with, but I can't see it working out for him. Cameron can just say 'accept it all or reject it all' knowing that Miliband cannot risk the Labour vote in Scotland and would have to accept the whole thing. Is there anything you don't theoretically agree with on Labour? ecause no disrespect, but I get the impression that he could delivering elbow drops to kittens and you'd still be in agreement with it because of your loyalty to Labour. Personally, I can understand the need to distance himself from his rivals, but it will probably be pretty much the same powers as the PM has offered plus something else minimal and the usual tedious holy trinity of soundbites like safer, family, togetherness and all that nauseating shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-MAN Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Because that's democracy? Protest against something you voted for. How does that work then ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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