Thistle_do_nicely Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I'm not ashamed to admit I burst into uncontrollable laughter just there reading this. And then I was in fits of tears. And then I was laughing and crying at the same time. Regained my composure a wee bit and I don't think I've gone completely and utterly mad (well, thats debatable) but I mean... it's the timing of this that killed me. So soon after the referendum, and it's already got an air of tragic inevitability about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why did anyone ever believe the Labour party could do anything when they are not in power? Why did anyone believe Gordon Brown could do anything when he claims to not even be involved with front line politics anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 Michael W, on 19 Sept 2014 - 15:50, said:Miliband has quite possibly just lost Labour the election. It'll be spun into something like, 'Labour is the party fighting for Scotland!' in an attempt to gain the gullible vote, and we have already proven we are a gullible nation. 'More powers, vote Ed, get rid of Tories! Ignore SNP' - Fights the 'good' fight on more than one front, cuts away at the SNP vote without actually taking them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why did anyone ever believe the Labour party could do anything when they are not in power? Why did anyone believe Gordon Brown could do anything when he claims to not even be involved with front line politics anymore? old people. They like Britain, just cos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It'll be spun into something like, 'Labour is the party fighting for Scotland!' in an attempt to gain the gullible vote, and we have already proven we are a gullible nation. 'More powers, vote Ed, get rid of Tories! Ignore SNP' - Fights the 'good' fight on more than one front, cuts away at the SNP vote without actually taking them on. That's nice, but what are they offering that the Conservatives aren't? The central belt will do its usual and give Labour their 35 seats anyway (or whatever it is). He is also fighting an election in the rest of the UK too, and can forget about delivering what he wants to Scotland if he completely ignore England/Wales/NI. There needs to be a new settlement for all of the home nations, and Miliband appears not to be offering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 You're right. Hopefully some unelected peers will be put in charge They can put whoever they like in charge as long as they do what the people want. This is a watershed moment, I can't see you Scots becoming not ar*ed overnight. The regions of England want devolution too, as do the Welsh and NI, This is not going to simply disappear. Then there is that other factor which has played a massive part in shaping the environment today...this, the internet and social media. Expect this to be trending until complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MangoBroccoli Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 A surge in votes for the SNP and the Greens at the next election then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 I, for one, am salivating at the prospect of the BBC's vociferious political department pressing these slimy b*****ds continually in search of the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They can put whoever they like in charge as long as they do what the people want. This is a watershed moment, I can't see you Scots becoming not ar*ed overnight. The regions of England want devolution too, as do the Welsh and NI, This is not going to simply disappear. Then there is that other factor which has played a massive part in shaping the environment today...this, the internet and social media. Expect this to be trending until complete. It might be just be my mood but you underestimate the impact of a defeat like that added with the suspicion that a decent amount (thought not all) of the 'No' voters couldn't give a toss either way. The waters will muddy to the point that the 'battle' will be lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Source is Radio Scotland, but it's been revealed he's refused the deal of new powers for Scotland. Well, I didn't see that one coming! No way were Labour going to go along with English votes for English MPs. The key is which way the Lib Dems jump on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The big chair Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 See at the next referendum, we should campaign to make people write Yes or No on the ballot instead of this X shit. Because if 55% of the population didn't see this coming there's no way they'll be able to fill in the paper to vote properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They have to get this right or it will simply be a perfect example of how WM is goosed and not fit for purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They have to get this right or it will simply be a perfect example of how WM is goosed and not fit for purpose. And? Precisely tell us how you can do anything about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They can put whoever they like in charge as long as they do what the people want. This is a watershed moment, I can't see you Scots becoming not ar*ed overnight. The regions of England want devolution too, as do the Welsh and NI, This is not going to simply disappear. Then there is that other factor which has played a massive part in shaping the environment today...this, the internet and social media. Expect this to be trending until complete. Well aye, socila media and the internet was brilliant at mobilisng the younger age groups who were as a rule, in favour of independence, only to be stomped on by the 55+ demographic who read print media and watch BBC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They have to get this right or it will simply be a perfect example of how WM is goosed and not fit for purpose. I can't believe you're so clueless about this. All those people expecting WM to change. Dear god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 And? Precisely tell us how you can do anything about that? Maybe that's something for you lot? The thing is you have mobilised activists? Either that or bend over and say nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 And even with this, there are plenty of people in Scotland who will STILL vote Labour. Fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Maybe that's something for you lot? The thing is you have mobilised activists? Either that or bend over and say nothing. Now you want us to help with Merseyside's problem with Westminster? I've seen it all now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Well aye, socila media and the internet was brilliant at mobilisng the younger age groups who were as a rule, in favour of independence, only to be stomped on by the 55+ demographic who read print media and watch BBC. Isn't this where leafleting and canvassing is supposed to come into effect? Social media is a good way of spreading ideas and opinions, but it's doubtlessly true it can also prove damaging when idiots use it as a platform to spout bile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Maybe that's something for you lot? The thing is you have mobilised activists? Either that or bend over and say nothing. Changing your tune a bit, eh. What happened to the Vote No because we can all work together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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