Banterous Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 On and Pandarillia who puts on a facade of intelligence. I invite you to read his comments about British and Scottish nationalism where he contradicts himself. Really thick c**t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Many people on here got involved in grassroots campaigning for a political issue they passionately believe in, and some have been waiting for this vote for decades. Of course they're going to be upset. To rub their noses in it is a quite crass. Saying that, I'd get a bit of enjoyment from seeing Parp have a meltdown, because he's a permanantly raging lunatic. agree to a point but when it gets to criticising reasons why folk have voted no, making generalisations etc. Then I lose sympathy. Rarely seen more bitter people here and on Fbook especially the cringy 45 thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Must admit I was utterly raging on Friday but since then I have come to accept the decision. Also coming to the conclusion that there were flaws in the Yes arguement Would still vote Yes mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 On and Pandarillia who puts on a facade of intelligence. I invite you to read his comments about British and Scottish nationalism where he contradicts himself. Really thick c**t Ouch. A façade of intelligence? Harsh. What part of my comments about British Vs Scottish nationalism did you disagree with? I think British nationalism is, by and large, ethnic nationalism - which tends to be exclusive, superior, and right wing in nature. I think Scottish nationalism (as seen in the Yes campaign) is, by and large, civic nationalism - which tends to be open, inclusive and left wing in nature. There will be a few exceptions but I didn't think this point was too contentious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I'd like to think that I'm in with a shout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 The debate on here post result has been far superior to pre vote. Some epic loser seethe of course but also lots more reasoned discussion of Yes s weaknesses. Been quite good in general. yes didn't have any weaknesses, it was a no vote because loads of folk didn't read the wings over Scotland shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 agree to a point but when it gets to criticising reasons why folk have voted no, making generalisations etc. Then I lose sympathy. Rarely seen more bitter people here and on Fbook especially the cringy 45 thing. I agree as well. A lot of people have been decent and rational. Many others toy throwing disgraces. No sympathy for them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Anyone demanding a recount is a moron. We lost by 400,000 votes for f**k sake. Agreed. A recount is a preposterous request. We just have to move on and accept that the majority of those in the 18-24 and 55+ age bracket are abject weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Ouch. A façade of intelligence? Harsh. What part of my comments about British Vs Scottish nationalism did you disagree with? I think British nationalism is, by and large, ethnic nationalism - which tends to be exclusive, superior, and right wing in nature. I think Scottish nationalism (as seen in the Yes campaign) is, by and large, civic nationalism - which tends to be open, inclusive and left wing in nature. There will be a few exceptions but I didn't think this point was too contentious. Contradictory - : Scottish Nationalism = almost entirely civic nationalism = quite progressive = Left Wing British Nationalism = mainly ethnic nationalism = usually backwards = Right Wing Just a wee extension... Tom Devine? The historian who voted Yes? Of course there are Left and Right folk in both camps. But this discussion was about British nationalism Vs Scottish nationalism. A very different argument. So which one is it? oh and as for "civic" nationalism, being an exclusively Scottish concept according the great Devine? In the United Kingdom, the following parties can be considered civic nationalist: the Conservative Party[8] who advocate British Unionism, the Ulster Unionist Party, who promote Northern Ireland Unionism, the Scottish National Party[9][10][11] and Plaid Cymru (The Party of Wales),[11] which advocate independence from the United Kingdom, and the Social Democratic and Labour Party,[12] which supports a United Ireland.[12]Sinn Fein, which also supports a united Ireland could also be considered civic nationalist.[13] Also, civic nationalism in post-Soviet Ukraine has prevailed since the Orange Revolution.[14] Outside Europe, it has also been used to describe the Civil war era Republican party in the United States.[15] Tam should stick to talking about Sectarianism and you should opt out of arguments you know nothing about Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Agreed. A recount is a preposterous request. We just have to move on and accept that the majority of those in the 18-24 and 55+ age bracket are abject weapons. poll only asked 84 18-24 year olds.... That doesn't make a result that any sort of conclusion can be drawn from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't doubt that 18-24's voted No because I'd imagine that of all that's groups they have the lowest percentage of ethnic Scots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't doubt that 18-24's voted No because I'd imagine that of all that's groups they have the lowest percentage of ethnic Scots. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 I don't doubt that 18-24's voted No because I'd imagine that of all that's groups they have the lowest percentage of ethnic Scots. Your attempts at trolling are so transparent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 What are you lolling at? There are thousands of rUK students in that demographic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallace Mercer Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 We just have to move on and accept that the majority of those in the 18-24 and 55+ age bracket are abject weapons. *Ding Ding* We have a winner boys & girls. To be honest I think I should be put on this poll as i'm Seething that 45% of my countrymen & woman bought into the Yes campaign fear, lies and intemidation. Luckily independance has now been defeated we can move on together and put it behind us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 *Ding Ding* We have a winner boys & girls. To be honest I think I should be put on this poll as i'm Seething that 45% of my countrymen & woman bought into the Yes campaign fear, lies and intemidation. Luckily independance has now been defeated we can move on together and put it behind us. I'll freely admit I'm seething. I accept the result wholly, but I'm jolly upset about it, what. Wee bit of British bluster at the end there, just for the 55%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 *Ding Ding* We have a winner boys & girls. To be honest I think I should be put on this poll as i'm Seething that 45% of my countrymen & woman bought into the Yes campaign fear, lies and intemidation. Luckily independance has now been defeated we can move on together and put it behind us. You forgot putting the Great back into Great Britain Losing your touch Wallace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 *Ding Ding* We have a winner boys & girls. To be honest I think I should be put on this poll as i'm Seething that 45% of my countrymen & woman bought into the Yes campaign fear, lies and intemidation. Luckily independance has now been defeated we can move on together and put it behind us. More incredible irony. I'm starting to think you're a troll Wallace - and I've been dangling on the end of your rod all along (ooh er missus). No-one can be that stupid and that ironic at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Contradictory - : Just a wee extension... So which one is it? oh and as for "civic" nationalism, being an exclusively Scottish concept according the great Devine? In the United Kingdom, the following parties can be considered civic nationalist: the Conservative Party[8] who advocate British Unionism, the Ulster Unionist Party, who promote Northern Ireland Unionism, the Scottish National Party[9][10][11] and Plaid Cymru (The Party of Wales),[11] which advocate independence from the United Kingdom, and the Social Democratic and Labour Party,[12] which supports a United Ireland.[12]Sinn Fein, which also supports a united Ireland could also be considered civic nationalist.[13] Also, civic nationalism in post-Soviet Ukraine has prevailed since the Orange Revolution.[14] Outside Europe, it has also been used to describe the Civil war era Republican party in the United States.[15] Tam should stick to talking about Sectarianism and you should opt out of arguments you know nothing about One type, civic nationalism, maintains that the nation should be composed of all those-regardless of race, color, creed, gender, language, or ethnicity-who subscribe to the nation's political creed. This nationalism is called civic because it envisages' the nation as a community of equal, rights-bearing citizens, united in patriotic attachment to a shared set of political practices and values. This nationalism is necessarily democratic, since it vests sovereignty in all of the people. Michael Ignatieff Might be going out a limb here, but I'd say that more closely describes the philosophy of the SNP than the EDL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Might be going out a limb here, but I'd say that more closely describes the philosophy of the SNP than the EDL. Scottish Nationalism = almost entirely civic nationalism = quite progressive = Left Wing British Nationalism = mainly ethnic nationalism = usually backwards = Right Wing Most UK political parties profess to being civic nationalists. The EDL are a minority party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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