bowmore Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 What's in it for me? The mantra of the Yes voter. That is the wrong way around, so I've fixed it for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowdenConvert Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 And how is this any different regardless of how the vote went on Thursday? I think many Yes voters share this view.So why is one of the oft repeated moans about no voters being selfish with their votes and not thinking about the wider society. Why shouldn't people use their vote to do what's best for them. It's simply an extension of how i'm responsible for the other aspects of my life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 That is the wrong way around, so I've fixed it for you. I voted yes even though I knew it would almost certainly leave me worse off financially in the short to medium term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 That is the wrong way around, so I've fixed it for you. Very original. A first for the internet. Clever boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So why is one of the oft repeated moans about no voters being selfish with their votes and not thinking about the wider society. Why shouldn't people use their vote to do what's best for them. It's simply an extension of how i'm responsible for the other aspects of my life. It leads to rampant short termism. The atomisation down to individual retail politics is a perfectly legitimate view point to have, but ask yourself if 30 years of doing what is best for themselves every few years has led to a balanced and prosperous state. It's not too much to ask for at least the consideration of a little bit of self sacrifice in the cause of something bigger than yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So why is one of the oft repeated moans about no voters being selfish with their votes and not thinking about the wider society. Why shouldn't people use their vote to do what's best for them. It's simply an extension of how i'm responsible for the other aspects of my life. That isn't what you posted though. Your post intimated that you were in favour of raising taxes (if needed) to pay for social services. This may not actually be what you meant but it is how I interpreted it. ... If tax was raised a bit because there wasn't enough money in that particular pot to help people that need help then so be it. What i have left after that I've earned so can spend how i like. Not buying into any socialist utopia. Go ask the people of Eastern Europe how well socialism worked for them. I think you have actually confused socialism with communism here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowdenConvert Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 That isn't what you posted though. Your post intimated that you were in favour of raising taxes (if needed) to pay for social services. This may not actually be what you meant but it is how I interpreted it.It is what i meant and was intended to head off anticipates cries of selfish tory b*****d. Overall i was trying to demonstrate that i can use my vote selfishly to do whats best for me while still caring about my wider society. A lot of yes supporters on this form seem to be of the opinion the two are fundamentally linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Think the general opinion is that he was the latest version of perthshirebell, so probably not a 'campaign plant' as such. Just a plant then. Or maybe even a plank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 So why is one of the oft repeated moans about no voters being selfish with their votes and not thinking about the wider society. The reality is that it is the Yes voters who are the selfish ones and are not caring about the wider UK society. They bought into Salmonds spin that we have all of this oil revenue so should leave the rest of the UK to poverty as we're supporting them. Lets fcuk them off and live like billionaires. Equally shameful that he tries to portray a situation in which Scotland has been living under some form of apartheid. Shameful that he made so many focus upon a mantra that Scotland was giving more to the UK than it received...weird socialist stance that! The fact of the matter is that Scotland has done rather well out of the union reaping substantial benefits over hundreds of years, it has been and is a successful union for all. Its all a bit Man City that you now get sucked into his bigotry and greed and ll the - we don't need you now, we're the 14th richest country in the world, we've got all of this oil etc. Where was the clamour for independence prior to the oil discovery in 1969/70? Its a bit disappointing really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 It leads to rampant short termism. The atomisation down to individual retail politics is a perfectly legitimate view point to have, but ask yourself if 30 years of doing what is best for themselves every few years has led to a balanced and prosperous state. It's not too much to ask for at least the consideration of a little bit of self sacrifice in the cause of something bigger than yourself. Ironically, on the whole, spot on but for the exact opposite of your position! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowdenConvert Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Lets fcuk them off and live like billionaires.f**k it. I could have had my holiday house in Portugal. Why didn't i listen to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 f**k it. I could have had my holiday house in Portugal. Why didn't i listen to him? Maybe you can see through a charlatan, when you see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Add that Rangers fan boabinoban. He's foaming at the mouth but not quite as much as johnnydun - WINNER!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Wow this thread is full of britnat scum wankin furiously Well thanks for ruining scotlands future ^^^^^^We have a winner bois look at the utter seethe shown here trolololol I'll do it before the BritNats do mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 ^^^^^^ We have a winner bois look at the utter seethe shown here trolololol I'll do it before the BritNats do mate. Aye, because even you aren't that deluded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Rider Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 The reality is that it is the Yes voters who are the selfish ones and are not caring about the wider UK society. They bought into Salmonds spin that we have all of this oil revenue so should leave the rest of the UK to poverty as we're supporting them. Lets fcuk them off and live like billionaires. Equally shameful that he tries to portray a situation in which Scotland has been living under some form of apartheid. Shameful that he made so many focus upon a mantra that Scotland was giving more to the UK than it received...weird socialist stance that! The fact of the matter is that Scotland has done rather well out of the union reaping substantial benefits over hundreds of years, it has been and is a successful union for all. Its all a bit Man City that you now get sucked into his bigotry and greed and ll the - we don't need you now, we're the 14th richest country in the world, we've got all of this oil etc. Where was the clamour for independence prior to the oil discovery in 1969/70? Its a bit disappointing really. What a bad man King Alex. Talking up Scotlands potential. The UK is dying my man. Time you faced up to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Not buying into any socialist utopia. Go ask the people of Eastern Europe how well socialism worked for them. Or we could ask the people in every single country between here and Eastern Europe how socialism worked for them - the people in places like Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, the Netherlands, for example. We'd find that they are quite happy, as they should be, because they live in countries that are noticeably more stable, prosperous, and contented than the UK, and most of them are aware of the fact that they enjoy more wealth per head and far stronger employment rights than the citizens of Britain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Maybe you can see through a charlatan, when you see one. You have a reputation of -10 on this forum - which you joined a couple of weeks ago to spout you British nationalist nonsense. Do you have any self-awareness whatsoever? Or are you just a wee boy? If you're a troll then fair enough but I always feel that must be an unsatisfying use of people's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 He could be like one of the Japanese veterens emerging from the jungle after 20 years unaware the war has been lost. I've not looked at P&B for what must be well over a year but decided to look in and see whether the likes of Xbl has self-combusted with rage at the result Imagine my surprise as while H_B is here there seems to be no sign of Xbl, Swampy and Reynard. I think I've seen one Ad-lib post but not the volumes I'd have expected and the Yes camp seem to be represented by youngsters - where is the likes of Mr Rational? What did I miss? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted September 22, 2014 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Or we could ask the people in every single country between here and Eastern Europe how socialism worked for them - the people in places like Norway, Sweden, Belgium, Luxembourg, Denmark, the Netherlands, for example. We'd find that they are quite happy, as they should be, because they live in countries that are noticeably more stable, prosperous, and contented than the UK, and most of them are aware of the fact that they enjoy more wealth per head and far stronger employment rights than the citizens of Britain. I'm not sure I'd hold up Belgium as an example of a united country with stable governance tbh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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