Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Now enjoying the beeling naive Yes voting poster. First of all anger. Then comes personal insults...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Surely you've not basing your argument on "some organisations seem to get away with something so everyone else should too" ? Would it not be better to turn that on its head and argue that if (in this instance) the council want to hunt down past debtors then the government should be following their example and be cracking down on corporate tax dodgers ? Exactly catch the stupid careless and then build a case and catch the rest. You can only make demands for tax when you have evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Now enjoying the beeling naive Yes voting poster. First of all anger. Then comes personal insults...... Just because I brought up the fact that you were leaving this sub forum yesterday and couldn't bring yourself to lose such a large part of your life, you come onto this thread to, erm post nothingness. Perhaps you can show where I have restorted to personal insults in this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Surely you've not basing your argument on "some organisations seem to get away with something so everyone else should too" ? Would it not be better to turn that on its head and argue that if (in this instance) the council want to hunt down past debtors then the government should be following their example and be cracking down on corporate tax dodgers ? I agree with this completely. It is the duplicitous nature of those that excuse the corporates that bothers me but also my initial point whereby the records don't exist to allow someone to prove or otherwise their liability. The fact that the council's do not even keep payment records for the length of period that they are chasing debts makes the process rather unsound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I agree with this completely. It is the duplicitous nature of those that excuse the corporates that bothers me but also my initial point whereby the records don't exist to allow someone to prove or otherwise their liability. The fact that the council's do not even keep payment records for the length of period that they are chasing debts makes the process rather unsound. I'm probably being a bit fick and missing something here but if they don't have any records how do they intend to nail people for back council tax ? If thats the case then it really is an empty threat and we've been tossing this back and forth for no reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 And how the f**k does this matter? How much tax have people who haven't paid the poll tax contributed? Vat? Council Tax? Duty? APD? CGT? etc. etc. Am I really hearing that corporations shouldn't have to contribute towards the society that they profit from? They dont provide services and jobs? They dont invest in infrastructure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The total deflection when it comes to clamping down on corporations and their unpaid tax. [facepalm image here] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 "Eradicate poverty" first. Aye right. Now it seems that dodging tax is ok. Wow. It's a relief that we voted No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Just because I brought up the fact that you were leaving this sub forum yesterday and couldn't bring yourself to lose such a large part of your life, you come onto this thread to, erm post nothingness. Perhaps you can show where I have restorted to personal insults in this thread? It would be "nothing" actually. "Nothingness" is the state of being "nothing". Your posts are sh**e and have the state of sh**einess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 The total deflection when it comes to clamping down on corporations and their unpaid tax. [facepalm image here] Think this thread is about people not paying their poll tax and who will now be getting chased for it. Someone else attempted to deflect it onto something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 I'm probably being a bit fick and missing something here but if they don't have any records how do they intend to nail people for back council tax ? If thats the case then it really is an empty threat and we've been tossing this back and forth for no reason It would probably cost them £2 for every £1 they get back. It's just a crowd pleaser for the more rabid sections of society, and they do love spreading a bit of fear. Nothing will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 A lot of people work for a lot of companies that have been enticed to these shores via cutting a deal with the state on tax etc. I'm sure the Scottish government themselves were hoping to cut corporation tax to try and entice more of them to pitch up here for that very reason. Lowering your rate of corporation tax is exactly the same as not collecting it right enough. As for the "well they bring jobs" argument for defending corporations, what a pathetic, hyper right wing argument. Corporations aren't setting up call centres and employing people through benevolence. They're doing it because they need these facilities and staff to turn a profit. The taxes from which aren't paid, whilst their staff and customers must pay theirs. On top of that the Government subsidises companies like Vodafone massively with benefits for their staff that they pay hee haw. One big cyclical, exploitative process. And then chumps thanks them for it See if everyone, from people in schemes up to corporations actually paid their share guess what, people would still use and therefore sell phones. There's really no need to bend our knee to the likes of Vodafone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Lowering your rate of corporation tax is exactly the same as not collecting it right enough. As for the "well they bring jobs" argument for defending corporations, what a pathetic, hyper right wing argument. Corporations aren't setting up call centres and employing people through benevolence. They're doing it because they need these facilities and staff to turn a profit. The taxes from which aren't paid, whilst their staff and customers must pay theirs. On top of that the Government subsidises companies like Vodafone massively with benefits for their staff that they pay hee haw. One big cyclical, exploitative process. And then chumps thanks them for it See if everyone, from people in schemes up to corporations actually paid their share guess what, people would still use and therefore sell phones. There's really no need to bend our knee to the likes of Vodafone. How dare they???? It's funny how people talk about left and right wing. To me your post suggests somebody who fantasizes about an ideal World but doesn't realise how the World works. If you owe tax, you pay it. If corporations owe tax, there's a process of negotiation whereby they provide jobs and a compromise is reached. However what the other posters were talking about was individual responsibility for payment of taxes from 24 years ago to Local Authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What an absolute embarrassment by the right wing crew on here. Chasing people for aged unpaid poll tax = good Expecting multinationals to pay their fair share = bad What's needed is a Government with the balls to demand every company, regardless of size or stature, pays the tax they're due. You would eradicate austerity overnight. And what are these companies going to do? Not trade in the UK? Are they f**k. It's just a pity we have a Government who, like so many posters on here, would prefer to pick on the poor than to ask the rich to pay what they're due. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 What an absolute embarrassment by the right wing crew on here. Chasing people for aged unpaid poll tax = good Expecting multinationals to pay their fair share = bad What's needed is a Government with the balls to demand every company, regardless of size or stature, pays the tax they're due. You would eradicate austerity overnight. And what are these companies going to do? Not trade in the UK? Are they f**k. It's just a pity we have a Government who, like so many posters on here, would prefer to pick on the poor than to ask the rich to pay what they're due. Pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ah the laughter smiley. The last bastion of the beelin' No voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Banterous Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Ah the laughter smiley. The last bastion of the beelin' No voter. Yeah imagine laughing at a suggestion that imposition of taxation to large corporations would eradicate poverty Thought about operating costs of call centres etc. Nah? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 How dare they???? It's funny how people talk about left and right wing. To me your post suggests somebody who fantasizes about an ideal World but doesn't realise how the World works. If you owe tax, you pay it. If corporations owe tax, there's a process of negotiation whereby they provide jobs and a compromise is reached. However what the other posters were talking about was individual responsibility for payment of taxes from 24 years ago to Local Authorities. How dare they what? Set up companies that employ people, invest in facilities and innovation etc? By all means, I'd want as much of that as possible. There's absolutely no reason whatsoever though that this should allow them to not pay their taxes or scrounge off the system by paying Government subsidised wages. If one mob doesn't want to sell us phones, someone else will. Why is it that the hyper right wing believe so strongly in free market principles, except for when it comes to a total acceptance of the sytem being rigged? To me your post suggests somebody who fantasizes about an ideal World but doesn't realise how the World works. If you owe tax, you pay it. If corporations owe tax, there's a process of negotiation whereby they provide jobs and a compromise is reached. The bold bit suggests to me that you, like me, know exactly how the world works. The only ignorance involved is from servile, clapping seals like yourself who thinks this is some kind of unavoidable market force, instead of a conciously implemented, unnecessary bit of systematic corruption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Lowering your rate of corporation tax is exactly the same as not collecting it right enough. As for the "well they bring jobs" argument for defending corporations, what a pathetic, hyper right wing argument. Corporations aren't setting up call centres and employing people through benevolence. They're doing it because they need these facilities and staff to turn a profit. The taxes from which aren't paid, whilst their staff and customers must pay theirs. On top of that the Government subsidises companies like Vodafone massively with benefits for their staff that they pay hee haw. One big cyclical, exploitative process. And then chumps thanks them for it See if everyone, from people in schemes up to corporations actually paid their share guess what, people would still use and therefore sell phones. There's really no need to bend our knee to the likes of Vodafone. Chumps need to feed their families for starters, they(we) also like to treat ourselves and our families. Yes, you could argue that its one big circle of exploitation but whether you like it or not its the way of things. Climbing the ladder to make your lot in life better is a basic of life, the lucky ones get it handed to them and the rest of us have to find a level that we're happy with or aspire to and do our best to make it happen. The finer details will vary but that's the gig, welcome aboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 30, 2014 Share Posted September 30, 2014 Chumps need to feed their families for starters, they(we) also like to treat ourselves and our families. Yes, you could argue that its one big circle of exploitation but whether you like it or not its the way of things. Climbing the ladder to make your lot in life better is a basic of life, the lucky ones get it handed to them and the rest of us have to find a level that we're happy with or aspire to and do our best to make it happen. The finer details will vary but that's the gig, welcome aboard. And he thinks he's a socialist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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