SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Owen Jones is an utter, utter c**t. There's a lot in that piece to agree with but the potential break up the Union is the Tories' fault? I'd be putting that one squarely at Labour's door myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Owen Jones is an utter, utter c**t. This. A smug one at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGR Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Owen Jones One of those 'look at me, I'm an über socialist' who regularly carps about Labour moving rightwards, not doing enough for working people etc - but he'll vote Labour in this election, and in the next, and in the next. Utterly spineless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Good article but the main point of it is totally wrong. Shamelessly stolen from the comments as it makes my point in a better way than I could: the Tories have been unpopular in Scotland for decades. If the Union falls apart, the blame lies squarely at the feet of Labour, who abandoned their principles and their core voters in order to be more like the Tories, forcing their long-term Scottish supporter base to look elsewhere for politicians to represent them. I don't agree with that. It's not Labour's fault, their shift is merely a symptom of a wider divergence between Scotland and England. Labour had to move to the right and abandon the principles that made them popular in Scotland, otherwise they would never win another UK general election as the dominant paradigm in England had become centre-right. That's not to excuse Labour for being the biggest shower of cretins ever to walk the earth, but they had little choice there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Tomorrow's Sun: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 That's hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 "UK BOOMING" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Heard Osborne on the radio today. he said, "the UK is now paying its way." The UK's deficit is £91 billion a year currently, or around £10 million an hour or around £2000 a second. If that is 'paying your way' I'm Michael Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yorkshire Post: I'm wondering what this 'Northern Powerhouse' actually entails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Tomorrows Telegraph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Yorkshire Post: ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1426719829.611049.jpg I'm wondering what this 'Northern Powerhouse' actually entails. Manchester, and trying to convince people that spending billions on a train line to get business men to London quicker from there is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 What the SNP should have done, we were told that oil would be worth literally nothing by 2050, and a total of about £53 billion between now and then. Something close to that. This was the UK govt telling us this, during the referendum campaign. What the Scottish govt should have done was offered to buy it from the UK govt for that price, we'll take 95% of all revenues generated by North Sea oil and gas, and you deduct the amount you told us it was worth from our budget. Then see who was lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1426719988.341583.jpg ImageUploadedByPie & Bovril1426720024.660581.jpg Tomorrows Telegraph. Tomorrow's Cochrane column sounds interesting. Is that the UK or Scottish edition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Not sure. It came from someone on Twitter who posts all of the front pages each night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Not sure. It came from someone on Twitter who posts all of the front pages each night. Nick Sutton? Think it's the UK version, hope so as it would be good to read. Out of interest in Berwick do they just have the English versions of papers or are Scottish versions available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Shit, this might have a big impact on all the potential SNP voting Telegraph readers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If Alan Cochrane is writing hysterical anti snp articles could we be seeing a sea change in Scottish politics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 Erm...he's been writing hysterical anti-SNP articles forever. That's basically all he writes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 18, 2015 Share Posted March 18, 2015 If Alan Cochrane is writing hysterical anti snp articles could we be seeing a sea change in Scottish politics? Never know, he was responsible for Alex Salmond's downfall after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted March 19, 2015 Share Posted March 19, 2015 Heard Osborne on the radio today. he said, "the UK is now paying its way." The UK's deficit is £91 billion a year currently, or around £10 million an hour or around £2000 a second. If that is 'paying your way' I'm Michael Jackson. While there is many economic indicators that are used. Governments know all they have to do is manipulate unemployment, inflation and growth to paint a rosy picture. All of these figures are entirely manipulated by constantly redefining them. Unemployment counts underemployed people and discounts people who aren't claiming job seekers allowance. Nor does it account for the fact that most newly created jobs have been low paying part time jobs or fake government created ones. For inflation, they just change what basket of items they track. For growth they changed it last year to things that shouldn't be included like crime, drugs and prostitution (no joke). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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