renton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well it was basically Yes v No. If they're committing to one side, then they're obviously teaming up with other parties on their side. We heard on here enough that Yes wasn't about the SNP, so why is No about Labour or the Tories? They could've run a seperate campaign under a looser No umbrella, indeed they had a very half hearted attempt at it. As it is, what happened is that they started sounding like the Tories - and that's what's done the damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Look, I hate Labour. Comrades leafleting for 'Jim'. Is that socialism? They've fucked the left-wing. Shysters exploiting dreamers. That's fucking Labour. They are a disgrace. And Red Ed will change all that? What a fucking joke. So your take on the vote SNP get a labour government and that the SNP will work for the best of all of the UK is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 They could've run a seperate campaign under a looser No umbrella, indeed they had a very half hearted attempt at it. As it is, what happened is that they started sounding like the Tories - and that's what's done the damage. That and the fact they have taken Scotland, particularly the central belt for granted for 50yrs, not bothering a sh1te because they kept getting voted in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 They could've run a seperate campaign under a looser No umbrella, indeed they had a very half hearted attempt at it. As it is, what happened is that they started sounding like the Tories - and that's what's done the damage. Maybe. Not an easy decision to make. The Tories maybe toxic in much of Scotland, but they did get about half a million votes at the last election. I think Labour made a mess of it tbh, and can totally understand why they're feeling a backlash now but I don't think that was necessarily just from teaming up with the Tories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 That and the fact they have taken Scotland, particularly the central belt for granted for 50yrs, not bothering a sh1te because they kept getting voted in.I agree with that. Because they've had it easy for so long it's let poor quality politicians get in without even trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 They could've run a seperate campaign under a looser No umbrella, indeed they had a very half hearted attempt at it. As it is, what happened is that they started sounding like the Tories - and that's what's done the damage. Why not stay neutral? Why does Prescott give a shit? Why not discuss it? They shouted loudest. Campaigned with the right-wing press. Then there's Jim Murphy. What did Murphy do? Well, he harassed activists. All for his career. Now what do they say? "Join us again, work with Jim. We are socialists." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I agree with that. Because they've had it easy for so long it's let poor quality politicians get in without even trying. Stop the Press. BM and I agree on something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 So your take on the vote SNP get a labour government and that the SNP will work for the best of all of the UK is ? What will Labour do? Play to the English right-wing. Ridicule the left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Maybe. Not an easy decision to make. The Tories maybe toxic in much of Scotland, but they did get about half a million votes at the last election. I think Labour made a mess of it tbh, and can totally understand why they're feeling a backlash now but I don't think that was necessarily just from teaming up with the Tories. Well, the other strand may just be the fear first campaign they ran, as a short term methodology it certainly retarded the momentum of Yes enough to secure the win, but even folk convinced by such a narrative are hardly going to be inspired by it - for those who weren't, the No campaign simply hardened their viewpoint. The referendum campaign was certainly polarising, but while a lot of ink has been expended on how the idea of it itself was polarising, the plainer truth of it is that Labour managed to push away all the folk they couldn't hold with out offering them a way back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Jim deleting his past again. "No, i've never supported austerity..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 What will Labour do? Play to the English right-wing. Ridicule the left. The SNP are going well out of their way to appear to want to work with Labour in the interests of the UK - your take on that? genuine? fake? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 The SNP are going well out of their way to appear to want to work with Labour in the interests of the UK - your take on that? genuine? fake? Well, up to a point. If they get loads of MPs, it will be something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Jim deleting his past again. "No, i've never supported austerity..." If Sturgeon did that? You'd not hear the end of it. She'd be pilloried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well, up to a point. If they get loads of MPs, it will be something. And the plan is then to put labour into government in return for concessions, in the interest of the uk. third time of asking for your thoughts on the SNP approach? I just don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 And the plan is then to put labour into government in return for concessions, in the interest of the uk. third time of asking for your thoughts on the SNP approach? I just don't buy it. They don't have a choice. Sure as shit they'll vote left-wing. Will Ed be so red? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 And the plan is then to put labour into government in return for concessions, in the interest of the uk. third time of asking for your thoughts on the SNP approach? I just don't buy it. What don't you buy? It's not in the SNP interest to deliberately f**k things up, that costs trust with the electorate and is something they'll need for 2016 and a future referendum. Certainly there is an unresolvable tension at the heart of the SNP strategy, as they support a Labour government and push for progressive policies, any concessions on further devolution will further restrict their influence on Westminster politics. It's a highwire act - to continue to push for progressive policies at WM where Scotland is affected while at the same time attempting to disentangle Scotland from that institution. It's doable, but it's also a dynamic state, you can't just look at the short term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 So your party is genuine about working for a better Britain with labour? After what happened in 1979 the SNP would be very reluctant to ever bring down a Labour government so it is debatable how much leverage the SNP would really have. Enough to secure a few minor extra powers for Holyrood beyond the Vow package maybe but definitely not enough to get Trident binned I would have thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tubbs Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well its certainly interesting for a Scottish nationalist party to not really pursue nationalism at an election and also to work for the whole of the UK. As its a fixed term parliament they are committing to it looks like nationalism will be off the agenda next year as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Since when was it your job to convince anyone anyway? Why are people demanding that you do. You've laid out your politics perfectly well on here and don't fly off the handle or get all hysteric like many do on here. Maybe people think that because I vote Labour I represent them or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Maybe people think that because I vote Labour I represent them or something. Are you not a card carrying member? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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