Gordon EF Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Probably a good move at this point. Although unlikely there was still a small part of me worried that Labour would agree to a second referendum in return for a deal. Doubt Labour would have done so and doubt the SNP want another so quickly, but I was concerned nonetheless. As if Labour could stop one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The SNP don't need to do any deals. The Scottish electorate will vote for one in our own parliament by selecting a majority of msps with a referendum in their manifesto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32244214 I'm struck by this quote: Full fiscal autonomy - which Ms Sturgeon this week said could be voted for by SNP MPs as early as next year - would see the nation, in future, having to raise enough cash to cover all its public spending. My emphasis - Extremely misleading as the chances of FFA being voted through the parliament are non-existant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Do you think this announcement will win back any of the voters lost to the SNP? Unless I'm being an idiot and misunderstanding something (as is possible!) over 40% of people who voted labour at the last general election now plan to vote SNP, according to yesterday's yougov survey. Probably not. Have to applaud Labour for putting their values above chasing votes... I'd say they've probably given up on the Nat vote to an extent for this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32244214 I'm struck by this quote: Full fiscal autonomy - which Ms Sturgeon this week said could be voted for by SNP MPs as early as next year - would see the nation, in future, having to raise enough cash to cover all its public spending. My emphasis - Extremely misleading as the chances of FFA being voted through the parliament are non-existant Unless the SNP name FFA as their price to put Miliband in to #10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Probably not. Have to applaud Labour for putting their values above chasing votes... Do you not think this will appeal to Unionist voters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Went to a thing last night in Newmachar where Salmond spoke. Very enjoyable, just as engaging in the flesh. You can tell he is just fucking loving this at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Unless the SNP name FFA as their price to put Miliband in to #10 The implication is that Sturgeon and the SNP MPS have the power to vote it through. You know fine well there will be no deal done on FFA, it's not on the table so why is it even being discussed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So they won't allow us a referendum again if we wanted one Would that make us officially oppressed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Do you not think this will appeal to Unionist voters? I was joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I was joking. 2 jokes in one day Jmo, your loosening up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm loving the idea that Labour are not going to compromise on ANYTHING in the event of a hung Parliament where they need SNP support. When it comes to the crunch and they want to get their bums on to the government benches then we will see just how resolute they are. One other thing that has to be borne in mind is that if Scotland sent 40-50 (or 50+ ) MPs to Westminster is Milliband just going to pretend that the voice of the Scottish people doesn't matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Probably not. Have to applaud Labour for putting their values above chasing votes... I'd say they've probably given up on the Nat vote to an extent for this election. Jim's 'I'm not a unionist, true patriot' wasn't a vote chasing mechanism? Mon now JMO. All new labour have done since Blair became leader is chase votes. That's why they're in such a stooshie now. They make pledges to please everyone, but they're either not believed or they don't stand to scrutiny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32244214 I'm struck by this quote: Full fiscal autonomy - which Ms Sturgeon this week said could be voted for by SNP MPs as early as next year - would see the nation, in future, having to raise enough cash to cover all its public spending. My emphasis - Extremely misleading as the chances of FFA being voted through the parliament are non-existant What about. Would see the nation receive the right powers to grow the economy and take ownership of its own resources? Was that on the BBC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 The most telling difference on display today between Murphy and Sturgeon is that while Jim Murphy is talkiing to an organised Labour audience in Edinburgh with Miliband and Baws for hauners, Sturgeon is out chapping doors in Glasgow. Speaks volumes: Sinéad @sineadypopsxx9m9 minutes ago So lovely to see @NicolaSturgeon canvassing in toryglen! Sorry I was in my jammies Nicola #SNP Nicola Sturgeon@NicolaSturgeon8m8 minutes ago @sineadypopsxx was a pleasure to talk to you. Enjoy day off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Murphy has a new tie. Good line about FFA and SNP predictions about oil prices. Seems pretty clear the austerity they believe FFA will require is key to Scottish Labour's plans for the rest of the campaign. Murphy got what he wanted on Wednesday, and Labour (whisper it) actually look like they have a plan. Yep, more hopeless negativity. Good plan. That'll win back Yes voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 I'm starting to think Scottish Labour should go down the Tracy Jordon, 'Don't Vote' route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Yep, more hopeless negativity. Good plan. That'll win back Yes voters. Jmo. Honest question. Do you think this intervention will be good or bad for Labour in Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-scotland-32244214 I'm struck by this quote: Full fiscal autonomy - which Ms Sturgeon this week said could be voted for by SNP MPs as early as next year - would see the nation, in future, having to raise enough cash to cover all its public spending. My emphasis - Extremely misleading as the chances of FFA being voted through the parliament are non-existant not really, she clearly said SNP MPs would vote for it, and nothing about anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Jmo. Honest question. Do you think this intervention will be good or bad for Labour in Scotland? Honestly don't know. Probably a good thing though, whilst there is an appetite for more powers I don't think there is much for another referendum in the near future. A few years down the line that might be different, but I don't really think anyone wants a referendum any time soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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