I'm Brian Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So you're prepared to see Scotland go into debt @ £8bn a year because that is our share of the deficit anyway? I'm reading that correctly? How is this debt going to be raised? How are they going to guarantee it without a central bank? Entertain me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Well we would still have access to the BofE as we are still part of the UK Scotland therefore is already in a better position than the UK. And if it means we borrow £7.6 bn instead of £9 bn or £9.5 bn then that is a better place to start. Honestly some Unionists cling to Westminster like the comfort blanket that kid had in the Charlie Brown cartoons. Even the thought of losing it turns them into greeting messes devoid of any reason. So the Bofe is going to underwrite SNP borrowing 8bn pa? I mean, you couldn't make it up. That means we pay the interest, right? A few years of that and we'll be paying hundreds of millions a year in interest with a mounting debt. How is that nightmare possibly to the benefit of Scotland? And we still have to send billions to Westminster to pay for everything the SNP mob don't provide Scotland. No doubt we can save on an immigration service as Sturgeon doesn't want one, all illegals, criminals etc.. welcome. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It was generally agreed by all sides during the referendum campaign that Scotland pays in £400 more a year in tax, than the UK average, but because of Barnet formula consequentials we receive £1200 back. So it is that extra £800 that pays for our notoriously high living standards up here. Scottish population is 5.3 million, so x by £800 = £4.24 bn So where is the extra £3.4 bn shortfall coming from? Paying off historical UK debt? Paying for daft imperial foreign policies? Unionists. Entertain me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So the Bofe is going to underwrite SNP borrowing 8bn pa? I mean, you couldn't make it up. That means we pay the interest, right? A few years of that and we'll be paying hundreds of millions a year in interest with a mounting debt. How is that nightmare possibly to the benefit of Scotland? And we still have to send billions to Westminster to pay for everything the SNP mob don't provide Scotland. No doubt we can save on an immigration service as Sturgeon doesn't want one, all illegals, criminals etc.. welcome. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! ^ uneducated clown statement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So the Bofe is going to underwrite SNP borrowing 8bn pa? I mean, you couldn't make it up. That means we pay the interest, right? A few years of that and we'll be paying hundreds of millions a year in interest with a mounting debt. How is that nightmare possibly to the benefit of Scotland? And we still have to send billions to Westminster to pay for everything the SNP mob don't provide Scotland. No doubt we can save on an immigration service as Sturgeon doesn't want one, all illegals, criminals etc.. welcome. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! Scotland already has borrowing powers under the 2012 Scotland Act. I am not sure why the extension of this under FFA would be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 It seems SLAB have resorted back to scaring old ladies over pensions again. But this time, instead of telling them that only keeping pensions under UK Government control can save them. They're now making out that the Scottish Government suddenly has full control over them. They must think all old people have dementia. They r c***s full stop. I actually prefer the tories. Right, ive fuckin said it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They r c***s full stop. I actually prefer the tories. Right, ive fuckin said it. Of course you do you're an SNP supporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Of course you do you're an SNP supporter. Yep and considering both the SNP and the Tories are more to the left that Labour. His position makes perfect sense. Ooft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They r c***s full stop. I actually prefer the tories. Right, ive fuckin said it. Think I'm with you bro. What Union emasculating legislation that Thatcher brought in did Labour ever reverse? Murphy's idol Blair fought tooth and nail against the minimum wage. At least the Tories are honest in declaring war on the poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 My final seat forecast is complete Conservative Party - 272 Labour Party - 269 Scottish National Party - 52 Liberal Democrats - 30 Democratic Unionists - 9 Sinn Fein - 6 Plaid Cymru - 4 SDLP - 2 UKIP - 2 Greens - 1 Respect - 1 Independents - 1 Speaker - 1 So, that gives real total of 271 Tories, 267 Labour, with 321 needed for a majority when Sinn Fein and the speakers are removed Potential coalition/C&S options 1. Labour & SNP = 321 They would have a wafer thin majority of 1, but could probably rely on support from Plaid, the Greens, the SDLP, and Sylvia Hermon to prop up their government. 2. Labour & SNP & Liberal Democrats = 351 A far more stable government, but Clegg would surely have to be replaced with someone from the party's social democratic wing 3. Conservative minority government Could they cut a deal with Labour to avoid being voted down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Someone who has worked all their life in the UK then retires and emigrates to Australia will have entitlement to a full UK pension. Fact. Scotland may decide to raise and spend its own taxes...but our pensioners will be left in the gutter penniless? Utter discredited pish from a desperate party facing wipeout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Someone who has worked all their life in the UK then retires and emigrates to Australia will have entitlement to a full UK pension. Fact. Scotland may decide to raise and spend its own taxes...but our pensioners will be left in the gutter penniless? Utter discredited pish from a desperate party facing wipeout. Bullshitting vulnerable pensioners. Classy stuff eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wirez Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Bullshitting vulnerable pensioners. Classy stuff eh Political equivalent of they b*****ds going round fitting alarm systems in pensioners hooses for £20k Rogue Traders should be onto them.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 So the Bofe is going to underwrite SNP borrowing 8bn pa? I mean, you couldn't make it up. That means we pay the interest, right? A few years of that and we'll be paying hundreds of millions a year in interest with a mounting debt. How is that nightmare possibly to the benefit of Scotland? And we still have to send billions to Westminster to pay for everything the SNP mob don't provide Scotland. No doubt we can save on an immigration service as Sturgeon doesn't want one, all illegals, criminals etc.. welcome. BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! The IFS quote the GERS figures and they have already allowed for us having to pay £3 billion a year in debt repayments on current UK debt. That seems quite reasonable given our debt is £1.5 Trillion. Well done for getting in a 'you couldn't make it up' and a jibe about immigration. Nige would be proud. As it goes, I still want FFA, but the deficit thing is a concern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2015/04/10/the-good-the-bad-and-the-inconsequential/ The depiction of Murphy's face is scarcely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Let me think, a party who's entire value system I completely disagree with; or a party of complete hypocrites, who's stock response to trouble is intimidating the vulnerable and uninformed with complete lies? I'd say I prefer the Tories as well. Labour need to be destroyed in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 ^ uneducated clown statement Can't be easy with your restricted view. Can't be too harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 They r c***s full stop. I actually prefer the tories. Right, ive fuckin said it. I do too. Everyone knows what the Tories stand for. But what about Labour? Whose interests does it stand up for, other than its own MPs? The Tories have been thrown out of Scotland. But Labour still hangs on, discrediting social justice in favour of self-interest. I utterly despise them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lichtgilphead Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 My final seat forecast is complete Conservative Party - 272 Labour Party - 269 Scottish National Party - 52 Liberal Democrats - 30 Democratic Unionists - 9 Sinn Fein - 6 Plaid Cymru - 4 SDLP - 2 UKIP - 2 Greens - 1 Respect - 1 Independents - 1 Speaker - 1 So, that gives real total of 271 Tories, 267 Labour, with 321 needed for a majority when Sinn Fein and the speakers are removed Potential coalition/C&S options 1. Labour & SNP = 321 They would have a wafer thin majority of 1 Yet again, you haven't done your sums properly. If, as expected,the current speaker (a Tory) is re-elected as speaker, the three depute speakers will be as follows: Chairman of Ways & Means - Labour First Deputy Chairman of Ways & Means - Opposition Second Deputy Chairman of Ways & Means - Labour That means that the potential Labour/SNP confidence & supply agreement will only have 319 votes and the combined opposition 321. That's technically a minority. In future, can you please do some proper research before posting. You could start here http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/principal/deputy-speakers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 10, 2015 Share Posted April 10, 2015 Think I'm with you bro. What Union emasculating legislation that Thatcher brought in did Labour ever reverse? Murphy's idol Blair fought tooth and nail against the minimum wage. At least the Tories are honest in declaring war on the poor. When did Tony Blair fight 'tooth and nail' against the minimum wage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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