Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Have crossed a picket line with the blessing of the union because, in a hospital, you have to provide emergency cover, so we all took it in turns to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The unison shop stewards and reps in my work are all sound as f**k, genuinely care about workers rights and fucking hate the Labour party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 So we will just have a race to the bottom and when everyone has an equally shit time then we can start campaigning? Do you think it is right to take a job and pay into a pension scheme on the basis of certain terms and conditions and those agreed conditions can be altered by one party? How much of an erosion of your rights, terms and conditions and pay are you willing to sacrifice whilst walking in at 9am every day with a smile on your face because hey, at least you have a job? Still a huge anger trigger for me, and the main reason that I despise a certain political party just that little bit more than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ham89 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Why were you furious?Because I am incredibly greatful for the job I have. The pension scheme I am part of is far better than the average worker. Were it to be changed, yes I would be upset but it would still be a very good pension!Also, I just don't think striking is the way forward. Strikes are so common these days it is losing credibility. They should be a last resort, not a first. Look at the NHS strikes down south. Striking because they haven't got a pay rise? Neither have the majority of private sector workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz FFC Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Because I am incredibly greatful for the job I have. The pension scheme I am part of is far better than the average worker. Were it to be changed, yes I would be upset but it would still be a very good pension! Also, I just don't think striking is the way forward. Strikes are so common these days it is losing credibility. They should be a last resort, not a first. Look at the NHS strikes down south. Striking because they haven't got a pay rise? Neither have the majority of private sector workers. About the only people who've had a decent pay rise since the recession is MPS and bankers. Quite ironic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy Nooka Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The problem with the union is .... Union people. They are all utter wankers. I find it difficult to deal with the relatity of union membership compared with the concept of it, which i am completely in favour of. It's a bit like the old politician saying. People who volunteer to be Union reps should be disbarred from ever being such. I would never not be in my Union but any time I've been to an AGM it is largely attended by absolute cocks going on about boycotting Israel or whatever the latest socialist fad is. This has f**k all to do with my work and I get the impression this is the kind of stuff these members are discussing at Trade Union meetings, it's no wonder they are next to useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The union rep in my work is a great guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisa Cuddy Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 The union rep in my work is a great guy. The opposite of you then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Is it ok to be carried across a picket line in a stretcher or is that still scabbing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Because I am incredibly greatful for the job I have. The pension scheme I am part of is far better than the average worker. Were it to be changed, yes I would be upset but it would still be a very good pension! Ah right. How about your employers decide to reduce your salary by 20% a year? I'm guessing you're still going to be OK with that, because you are grateful for your job right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR96 Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 Any of these stories about picket lines and scabs being abused recent? A very high percentage of my work go in on strike day, some in the union but most not, and I don't think there is even a picket outside my work. Used to get a union guy handing out info sheets on the way in, you don't get that any more. You don't get any facility time at all (when you used to get the odd half hour you couldn't actually talk about strike tactics). They've made us sign up to direct debit rather than have subs come off our wages. I'm going to be in the odd position of being on strike when about 80% of the guys I manage are going to go into work. I hate to say it but the trade union laws coupled with selfishness, people being so near the breadline they can't drop a days pay and the country being so fucked that nobody can afford to get sacked the days of the unions seem well and truly over in the United Kingdom. Only reason to be in one is for employment law/disciplinary type stuff, there is no solidarity, collective power or bargaining position for the vast majority of workers I don't think. You're with PCS, aye? The branch at my work are a nightmare on strike day apparently. I've never crossed the picket line but know a few who have and it's quite the experience I'm told. We've been called out on strike about 5 times in the past year and I've supported it each time although the issues they're striking about don't really affect me. For example, my pay is great for what I do and at 18 years old, I'm hoping not to be sticking around too long after Uni to worry about my pension. In fairness, just about everyone I know who was on a two year FTA got made permanent recently (myself included) and that was another issue on the union's mandate so fair play to them on that front. I do understand the pay and pension worries full time workers are having, but a series of one day strikes is doing absolutely nothing. If they're going to be listened to then it's about time the just called a full week of action or something. Although, as you say, there are too many people living close to the breadline to afford that risk but in my eyes they're pissing in the wind with these strikes. Looking forward to the day off mind you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 people being so near the breadline they can't drop a days pay This is generally bullshit though. It's just that they don't want to. They'll not go on strike to lose a day's pay, and then blow it on shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 This is generally bullshit though. It's just that they don't want to. They'll not go on strike to lose a day's pay, and then blow it on shite. I dont agree with this cnut often but he's right. It actuly pisses me off when i hear so many people refer to essential things like rent, bills tax car insurence etc etc and say "i cant afford that" but can afford to go out and get pished or take day trips or buy a new 500 pound phone after carelessly losing or breaking their old one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 14, 2014 Share Posted October 14, 2014 If workers are on low pay or on the bread line they can apply to the union for assistance when on strike. Where strikes have been targetted eg just get IT to walk out, then sometimes the union will pay the full wage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR96 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 To be fair, I'll lose about 8% of my wage this month for going on strike today. I'll get by but it's still quite a lot considering it's only one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 I dont agree with this cnut often but he's right. It actuly pisses me off when i hear so many people refer to essential things like rent, bills tax car insurence etc etc and say "i cant afford that" but can afford to go out and get pished or take day trips or buy a new 500 pound phone after carelessly losing or breaking their old one Correct. I was on strike for a day a couple of years ago, and despite the fact the average punter is on a very good salary, there was still the selfish dross about "I can't afford to lose a day's pay". Strange... seems you can afford to go on holiday to the Maldives though. Must be cheap flights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 If workers are on low pay or on the bread line they can apply to the union for assistance when on strike. Where strikes have been targetted eg just get IT to walk out, then sometimes the union will pay the full wage. Union strike pay is a fixed amount. I think we got £30. Something like that. It was a nominal amount that wouldn't pay for half an hour of our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jock001 Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Correct. I was on strike for a day a couple of years ago, and despite the fact the average punter is on a very good salary, there was still the selfish dross about "I can't afford to lose a day's pay". Strange... seems you can afford to go on holiday to the Maldives though. Must be cheap flights. So if somebody makes a personal choice and happens to disagree with you, that makes them selfish? Have you considered the possibility that expecting people to do exactly what you say might be slightly more selfish? That's the problem with unions, the whole idea of a 'scab; is predicated on the assumption that union people's decisions are more important than anyone else's and that unions somehow have the divine right to be able to order people around. That assumption is idiotic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmouth Strikes Again Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 So if somebody makes a personal choice and happens to disagree with you, that makes them selfish? Have you considered the possibility that expecting people to do exactly what you say might be slightly more selfish? That's the problem with unions, the whole idea of a 'scab; is predicated on the assumption that union people's decisions are more important than anyone else's and that unions somehow have the divine right to be able to order people around. That assumption is idiotic. If you are in the union you have to go with what the majority have voted for, whether you agree with it, or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Union strike pay is a fixed amount. I think we got £30. Something like that. It was a nominal amount that wouldn't pay for half an hour of our time. It is but the union can ,and have , decided to pay workers for full day they are out when it is a small number of workers for a single day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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