Mr Bairn Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Of course we would. We are 1% of the EU's population, with 25% of its renewable energy potential and 60% of its oil reserves. We also have a large chunk of its fishing ground, and have been EU members for 40 years. The only reason we could struggle would be if rUK or Spain decided to be a pain in the arse over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Even more rubbish. Give it up. The EC has not made its position clear as the UK government has not asked it to. And we all know why that is. Have you actually read the Treaties or even have a basic understanding of them and EU law? Why do Nationalists persist with that ridiculous claim that the EU position is not clear? The EU made its position clear in Viviane Reding's letter to Scottish Parliament in March 2014. It was the Scottish Parliament that asked for an official statement. Barroso also confirmed that position several times. It's the inconvenient truth that won't go away even if you keep your head in the sand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 And neither of them would be. Cameron said last year that he would support our continuing membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Bishop, I clearly know far more than you. Yes, I've read the treaties and the irrelevant letters. What of it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 The issue is not whether Scotland would be allowed to join the EU. An independent Scotland would admitted under Article 49 after negotiations over the next two or three years. It the terms of entry, especially joining the Euro, that is the issue. Sterling-isation, with no central bank as lender of last resort, would a non-starter for the EU. The main parties and voters of rUK would not agree to a long-term currency union. The most likely outcome (in practice) is a short-term currency union followed by Eurozone membership. The key question - Is the Euro a "deal breaker" for those who voted Yes last or would vote Yes in a 2nd vote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 And neither of them would be. Cameron said last year that he would support our continuing membership. But not a currency union. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We're in the EU and have been for 40 years. Do you understand that? After a Yes vote we will still be in the EU. Do you understand that? It is in no-one's interests that we're not in the EU. Do you understand that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We're in the EU and have been for 40 years. Do you understand that? After a Yes vote we will still be in the EU. Do you understand that? It is in no-one's interests that we're not in the EU. Do you understand that? Yes to first two questions. No to the third as I would want an independent Scotland to have its own currency and join EFTA (like Norway and Switzerland) rather than the EU. Do you understand that none of the Unionist parties support a currency union? Do you understand that the EU would not allow Sterlingisation? Do you understand that Scotland, as a new Member State will have join the Euro? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We will not be a new member state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We will not be a new member state. Assuming that the EU changes its mind and agrees, Would you support a new Scottish currency and central bank? or Do you want the Bank of England to continue to control and issue our currency? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Changes its mind? Are you telling me the UK Government have presented a scenario to the EC and they've published their ruling? If you are it's certainly been kept quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 That is possible as I outlined earlier. An independent Scotland would also be required to join Eurozone, under the EU Treaty, on when it joins the EU (under Article 49) on Independence Day. Someone with the slightest grasp of the Eurozone would know that this is impossible and quite untrue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Someone with the slightest grasp of the Eurozone would know that this is impossible and quite untrue. It's not impossible if the convergence criteria are met and they should be. As Scotland does not have its own currency, the ERM criterion is not applicable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 The Treaty of the European Union requires all new Member States to join the Euro. The Member States that were not in the Eurozone when the Treaty came into force are not required to join. Britain and Sweden are in the same position. The EU had made its position clear that Scotland would have to apply under Article 49. The opinions of so called "experts", who have no power, are irrelevant. The power lies with the Council and Commission. Juncker and Tusk are even more hardline federalists than Barroso and Van Rumpuy. Did the treaty come into force before the Czechs joined ? Fact is you don't have to change to the Euro whilst in the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 We're in the EU and have been for 40 years. Do you understand that? After a Yes vote we will still be in the EU. Do you understand that? It is in no-one's interests that we're not in the EU. Do you understand that? He really doesn't mate. Instead of taking a common sense approach he'd rather swallow all of the drivel that people with their hands in the cookie jar feed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Think you've got that spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Did the treaty come into force before the Czechs joined ? Fact is you don't have to change to the Euro whilst in the EU. It does not matter. After checking the Commission's web page, only Britain and Denmark are exempt from the requirement to join the Euro. All the others have to join after meeting the convergence criteria. I had thought that were more exemptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 "Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Sweden do not currently have a target date for adoption of the euro." That's some list of less privileged countries than Scotland that won't be forced to join the Euro because em the expansionist EU would rather just have them on board. I think they EU would know that if they placed too many demands on us we would tell them to go f**k themselves and I don't think they would want that. We wouldn't be out the EU for a second regardless of the treaties. Deals would be done and amendments would be done in the small hours of the morning because it's in everyone's interest. That's just how politics works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Only Britain and Denmark are exempt from the requirement to join the Euro. All the others have to join after meeting the convergence criteria. Read the Commission's web page if you don't believe me. Would that be the same page that gives us this wonderful quote ? "Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Sweden do not currently have a target date for adoption of the euro." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Briggs Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 Would that be the same page that gives us this wonderful quote ? "Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland and Sweden do not currently have a target date for adoption of the euro." They have their own currencies and will have to set a target date eventually. The Unionist parties in Westminster have ruled out a currency union. The EU would not permit sterlingisation as there would be no lender of last resort. I support a new Scottish currency for an independent Scotland. Why won't the SNP propose one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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