SodjesSixteenIncher Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Don't really care about the headline stat. Being born here doesn't make your opinion count more in my opinion. The age bit is a different matter. The Union's days are numbered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Seems the right thread to put this in but I think we all knew this http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/independence-referendum-figures-revealed-majority-5408163#ICID=sharebar_twitter I suspected that was probably the case in all honesty. It's understandable that people who have family in other parts of the UK didn't want to be separated by a border. Hopefully it comes again and we'll vote yes next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Listening to John Beattie on Bbc Radio Scotland there. He's discussing that poll. Hasn't even mentioned the age split. I like him but you can tell which camp he's in. Not subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 Listening to John Beattie on Bbc Radio Scotland there. He's discussing that poll. Hasn't even mentioned the age split. I like him but you can tell which camp he's in. Not subtle. You can tell who most side with to be fair. Jackie Bird is as subtle as a brick, as it Brian Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdhafc1874 Posted March 27, 2015 Share Posted March 27, 2015 You can tell who most side with to be fair. Jackie Bird is as subtle as a brick, as it Brian Taylor. A brick has a higher IQ than Jackie Bird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 1, 2015 Author Share Posted April 1, 2015 Scotland may get second indyref - Nicola Sturgeon http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scotland-may-get-second-indyref-nicola-sturgeon-1-3734730 NICOLA Sturgeon has refused to rule out the prospect of another Scottish independence referendum before 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 They have their own currencies and will have to set a target date eventually. Where does it say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavin_3110 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 "Once in a generation" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted April 8, 2015 Author Share Posted April 8, 2015 Sturgeon still not ruling out indyref2 in 2016 parly. Hope she goes for it but much will depend on who is in power at Westminster after the May election and how much power the SNP wield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 You can tell who most side with to be fair. Jackie Bird is as subtle as a brick, as it Brian Taylor. Most of the BBC commentators are raging BritNats; they are not very good at hiding it.If the polls go the way we hope they do their ugly pusses will be a sight to behold from May 8 onwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 "Once in a generation" Said once in a generation opportunity, as in it might be a generation before we get another chance. Nobody pledged to wait a generation to try again. The no side also pledged 'devo-max', 'home-rule' and 'as close to full federalism as possible' and we are getting none of these things. Its up to the people of Scotland, if the SNP have a referendum in their manifesto next year and the people of Scotland vote them into another majority we get another referendum. That's democracy. A legal precedent has also been set with the last one, so if those conditions are repeated ie another SNP majority we get another one. Suck it up, we want to be independent, we're hardly going to stop trying cause we lost a vote. And if we lose the next one there will be a third one, we will be independent, get on board or get out of the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTG_03 Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Sturgeon still not ruling out indyref2 in 2016 parly. Hope she goes for it but much will depend on who is in power at Westminster after the May election and how much power the SNP wield. no shock here from the daily mail, no doubt the Daily Record is at it as well. All she said was 2016 is a different matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 "Once in a generation" Some others that I posted previously. This is nothing less than a once-in-a-generation fight about who our country works for. It is a choice between a Tory plan where only a few at the top can succeed and our public services are threatened. Or a Labour plan that puts working people first, deals with the deficit and protects our NHS. or this one Today I want to talk about how we make it a success because we now have a once in a generation chance. Get this right and we make good on education's progressive promise. To give every child the chance to go as far as their abilities and effort can carry them. And we'll achieve something else of lasting importance. We'll prove that teachers do best when Whitehall steps out of the way. or even this one Today, I want to speak about the once-in-a-generation chance we have, together, to improve the way we enhance the cause of human rights, freedom and dignity. We have an ambitious agenda for the coming months to reinforce local democracy to combat discrimination to strengthen the rule of law across Europe. But the focus of our Chairmanship, as you know, is our joint effort to reform the European Court of Human Rights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 Do polls not show a very high percentage of people who want another referendum in the next five or ten years anyway? A complete non-story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted April 8, 2015 Share Posted April 8, 2015 I would rather Sturgeon managed to form a coalition with a break away left wing English working class party and at the next general election wiped the floor and slayed Labour and the Tories for ever more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mizfit Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 David Cameron has stated he will be ruling out another referendum on Scottish independence in the sun today. He's shitting it. Fucking shitting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 It's an important point. Holyrood doesn't have the right to call an official referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The only credible position on this is the one adopted by Sturgeon. Firstly, the SNP as a political party, decide whether or not to put it in their manifesto for 2016. Other political parties can also put things relating to further/fewer powers for Scotland in their manifestos. Secondly, the people of Scotland vote in 2016 and elect a government of their choice. If there is a majority of MSPs in favour of a referendum it should be put to the electorate. Thirdly, the people of Scotland vote in the referendum. This is democracy; I don't understand why people struggle with this. Also, elected politicians are elected for four (Holyrood) or five (Westminster) years. No politician on either side of the debate has any mandate to argue for a timescale beyond their tenure in office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 The only credible position on this is the one adopted by Sturgeon. Firstly, the SNP as a political party, decide whether or not to put it in their manifesto for 2016. Other political parties can also put things relating to further/fewer powers for Scotland in their manifestos. Secondly, the people of Scotland vote in 2016 and elect a government of their choice. If there is a majority of MSPs in favour of a referendum it should be put to the electorate. Thirdly, the people of Scotland vote in the referendum. This is democracy; I don't understand why people struggle with this. Also, elected politicians are elected for four (Holyrood) or five (Westminster) years. No politician on either side of the debate has any mandate to argue for a timescale beyond their tenure in office. This. I've been saying all along that Sturgeon/the SNP will not be calling another referendum until polls show a CLEAR majority in favour of independence because another defeat would probably bury it for a long time. It is for the people of Scotland to decide when indyref2 is called and we definitely won't see a 3 1/2 year campaign this time. I'd imagine if polls are showing 60/70% in favour of Indy before the 2016 election and the SNP get another majority then the second referendum will be called in late 2016/early 2017 but I think it's more likely we see it in 2020/2021 after the next elections Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted April 9, 2015 Share Posted April 9, 2015 This. I've been saying all along that Sturgeon/the SNP will not be calling another referendum until polls show a CLEAR majority in favour of independence because another defeat would probably bury it for a long time. It is for the people of Scotland to decide when indyref2 is called and we definitely won't see a 3 1/2 year campaign this time. I'd imagine if polls are showing 60/70% in favour of Indy before the 2016 election and the SNP get another majority then the second referendum will be called in late 2016/early 2017 but I think it's more likely we see it in 2020/2021 after the next elections Agree with this entirely. I'd be outraged if the SNP put this in their manifesto just to maintain their majority, only to lose again in 2019 or 2020. Time needs to pass, powers need to come up (and be handled well) and the economic arguments need to be honed before a second tilt should even be considered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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