UKIP

[NotThePars]

13 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I can see sooky joining this lot in the next couple of years.

 

Sure he was a Farage fan back in the day on here.

[DrewDon]

I could not have less sympathy for Carswell. There is a compelling case to argue that he is even more despicable than Farage. At least with Farage, you know you are getting unapologetic demagoguery and barely disguised bigotry; Carswell kicked up a fuss with his vanity by-election in Clacton, and then opted to remain as a UKIP MP and spokesperson whilst - because he is an utterly disingenuous coward and a self-serving opportunist - attempting to distance and separate himself from more or less everything distasteful that UKIP/Farage/Banks/Leave.EU said and did. He deserves the political wilderness more than anybody else in British politics. 

At least his principles will compel him to call another by-election, right? 

[lichtgilphead]

Was only a matter of time, wasn't it?

Aye, the Tories have moved enough further right to allow him to slither back.

[git-intae-thum]

Has farage et al not all run off to America yet.

To leave the rest of us to clear up their shite.

[Sooky]

 
Sure he was a Farage fan back in the day on here.

Years ago, back in the day, when my politics consisted of watching YouTube videos, I was - idiotically - quite impressed by him. Then I became impressed by the Lib Dems instead, before calling the Tories home about 3/4 years ago.

It's been a weird journey.

[doulikefish]

No short money and no Aaron Banks cash now

[zidane's child]

24 minutes ago, doulikefish said:

No short money and no Aaron Banks cash now

Nuttall was clutching at straws in his interview earlier. "If May slips up in the negotiations, we'll be the party to turn to".

I'm sure they will will 0 MP's.

[Chapelhall chap]

Carswell has now left an independence Party in order to become an Independent MP. Maybe his next move is to join another Independence Party? I am confused.

[DrewDon]

Somewhat ironically, UKIP's easiest route to post-Brexit relevance is probably through the consequences of a hard, chaotic Brexit. If 'Leave' voters feel as if Brexit is making them worse off or has hit them in the pocket - and that they weren't expecting that to happen to them, you would imagine the Tories and Labour would both stand to lose from such an outcome: the Tories being the governing party at the time of Brexit, and Labour solemnly nodding it through. UKIP and the Liberal Democrats would likely be the primary beneficiaries south of the border; the former amongst working-class 'Leave' voters - we supported Brexit, but not this sort of Brexit, and the latter amongst more metropolitan and middle-class 'Remain' backers. You also have the additional possibility of 'Leave' voters in England and Wales not feeling as if immigration is sufficiently declining: the country becomes poorer > we need immigrants to fill skills shortages > immigrants still getting jobs > pre-Brexit resentment persists > UKIP avoid the blame because they didn't enact Brexit, whereas the Tories did and Labour went along with it > UKIP recover some electoral ground.

Until then, existing primarily as an 'anti-immigration' pressure group - pushing Farage to the forefront and more or less allowing everything else to exist around him, even if Nuttall technically remains as Leader - rather than as an electorally viable political operation is probably the most sensible approach. 

[Chapelhall chap]

47 minutes ago, DrewDon said:

Somewhat ironically, UKIP's easiest route to post-Brexit relevance is probably through the consequences of a hard, chaotic Brexit. If 'Leave' voters feel as if Brexit is making them worse off or has hit them in the pocket - and that they weren't expecting that to happen to them, you would imagine the Tories and Labour would both stand to lose from such an outcome: the Tories being the governing party at the time of Brexit, and Labour solemnly nodding it through. UKIP and the Liberal Democrats would likely be the primary beneficiaries south of the border; the former amongst working-class 'Leave' voters - we supported Brexit, but not this sort of Brexit, and the latter amongst more metropolitan and middle-class 'Remain' backers. You also have the additional possibility of 'Leave' voters in England and Wales not feeling as if immigration is sufficiently declining: the country becomes poorer > we need immigrants to fill skills shortages > immigrants still getting jobs > pre-Brexit resentment persists > UKIP avoid the blame because they didn't enact Brexit, whereas the Tories did and Labour went along with it > UKIP recover some electoral ground.

Until then, existing primarily as an 'anti-immigration' pressure group - pushing Farage to the forefront and more or less allowing everything else to exist around him, even if Nuttall technically remains as Leader - rather than as an electorally viable political operation is probably the most sensible approach. 

They could also let Cockburn take the lead North of the "border" to appeal to the anti metropolitan elite?(Irony)

[Thistle_do_nicely]

1 hour ago, DrewDon said:

Somewhat ironically, UKIP's easiest route to post-Brexit relevance is probably through the consequences of a hard, chaotic Brexit. If 'Leave' voters feel as if Brexit is making them worse off or has hit them in the pocket - and that they weren't expecting that to happen to them, you would imagine the Tories and Labour would both stand to lose from such an outcome: the Tories being the governing party at the time of Brexit, and Labour solemnly nodding it through. UKIP and the Liberal Democrats would likely be the primary beneficiaries south of the border; the former amongst working-class 'Leave' voters - we supported Brexit, but not this sort of Brexit, and the latter amongst more metropolitan and middle-class 'Remain' backers. You also have the additional possibility of 'Leave' voters in England and Wales not feeling as if immigration is sufficiently declining: the country becomes poorer > we need immigrants to fill skills shortages > immigrants still getting jobs > pre-Brexit resentment persists > UKIP avoid the blame because they didn't enact Brexit, whereas the Tories did and Labour went along with it > UKIP recover some electoral ground.

Until then, existing primarily as an 'anti-immigration' pressure group - pushing Farage to the forefront and more or less allowing everything else to exist around him, even if Nuttall technically remains as Leader - rather than as an electorally viable political operation is probably the most sensible approach. 

A possibility nagging at me is that if the Big Bad EU and Schrodinger's Immigrant can't be blamed by thick cabbies and van drivers darn sarf over time, or that just saying immigration as if that's an actual policy starts losing its impact, ad indeed among people who should be smart enough to know better, then the next scapegoat is us pesky jocks creating instability. Maybe not as extreme as an english independence party gaining mainstream traction but UKIP reinventing themselves as a jock-bashing party, depending on how Brexit and Scotref 2.0 pan out, as a vote winner is something I could well see happening.

[DrewDon]

39 minutes ago, Thistle_do_nicely said:

A possibility nagging at me is that if the Big Bad EU and Schrodinger's Immigrant can't be blamed by thick cabbies and van drivers darn sarf over time, or that just saying immigration as if that's an actual policy starts losing its impact, ad indeed among people who should be smart enough to know better, then the next scapegoat is us pesky jocks creating instability. Maybe not as extreme as an english independence party gaining mainstream traction but UKIP reinventing themselves as a jock-bashing party, depending on how Brexit and Scotref 2.0 pan out, as a vote winner is something I could well see happening.

I definitely wouldn't rule that out. Lord Ashcroft noted that English 'Leave' voters were significantly more likely than English 'Remain' voters to strongly emphasise their distinctly English identity, as opposed to their British one; four-in-five of 'English not British' identifiers voted Leave, and UKIP voters were twice as likely as the average member of the English electorate to identify as such. 

Some 'Remain' voters have been guilty post-referendum of believing that, once the harsh economic and financial consequences of Brexit become a reality, and people understand that it is just not as simple as immigration tumbling down and England being England once more, 'Leave' voters will have a sudden epiphany and realise the magnitude of the mistake that they have made; I wouldn't be so sure, though. It is more likely, in my opinion, that they will blame the European Union (for 'punishing' Britain), the UK Government (for not getting the 'right' Brexit), and anybody opposed to leaving the EU (for not doing their patriotic duty and 'uniting behind the country' - and it could very well become electorally fruitful to bash the pesky Jocks on these grounds, too). If that is the case, UKIP, as long as they get their act together sufficiently and in time, are likely best placed to capitalise down south, pretty much fighting May's Tories for the working-class, blue collar, immigration-sceptic, 'proud to be English' voters. As aforementioned, the Tories and Labour would have to share the blame: the former for enacting it and not getting a good enough deal; the latter for meekly accepting it and being led by an incompetent clownshoe. The Liberal Democrats will benefit from disgruntled 'Remain' voters disillusioned with Labour. Interesting times, but I think some are taking a bit too much premature joy in UKIP's apparent demise, as much as I would like to join in with it. 

Edited March 26, 2017 by DrewDon

[Chapelhall chap]

"UKIP reinventing themselves as a jock-bashing party"  Before the 2015 election, their policy was to abolish Holyrood/end the Barnett consequentials ,amongst other jolly japes .Any time Farage/Nutall et alia were on TV they merrily quoted the subsidy junkies line. One of the best was about ending the subsidies pouring north over Hadrians wall; now a mainstream geography view of the Welsh Conservative leader of course. But yes they could develop it even more and get the Daily mail to back them in this Union of equals.

[DI Bruce Robertson]

The more "jock bashing" that happens, the better, IMO, hopefully, if we shite it again, England will vote to get rid of us.

[doulikefish]

Reckless has jumped to the tories in wales

[Crùbag]

It's been a while but Ukip are back to their sheer barking lunacy though the Scottish Tories have been outdoing them recently.

http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/15230915.Election_candidate_says_women_should_stay_at_home_and_look_after_their_children__not_nurseries/?ref=twtrec

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A CANDIDATE for the council elections said the death penalty should be brought back - and floated using the guillotine instead of hanging.

 

[Sooky]

The strange with is, with Labours collapse and some incumbent MPs resigning, UKIP have potential to gain a couple of seats in the North (like Hartlepool) even though nationally their numbers will probably drop significantly.

[mjw]

Coburn is standing.
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[DublinMagyar]

Coburn is standing.
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He's nice
I like him

[Glenconner]

On 19 April 2017 at 22:12, Crùbag said:

It's been a while but Ukip are back to their sheer barking lunacy though the Scottish Tories have been outdoing them recently.

http://www.clydebankpost.co.uk/news/15230915.Election_candidate_says_women_should_stay_at_home_and_look_after_their_children__not_nurseries/?ref=twtrec

 

Worked at Glasgow Zoo?

Never quite sure if a lot of Ukip candidates are unstable or reading from some bizarre offensive script.

Got a point with golf courses right enough.