~~~ Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Obviously not, but some think it should. http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/299236-scottish-secular-societys-petition-discusses-creationism-teaching/ No idea why these people are even entertained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 You're saying my children are monkeys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eindhovendee Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Kids should also be taught more about star signs and the correct use of ouija boards imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet Pete Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Fun fact: If you put "creationists" and "morons" on a Venn diagram, you'd get one coloured circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paranoid android Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 People need to know the history of it, as in 'folk used to believe that all living things were created by God. However, the current most widely accepted scientific paradigm, based on research is the theory of evolution, and the big bang theory, etc' - historical perspective is important, imo. As recently discussed on P & B, though, while The Pope believes in the big bang theory, he still believes that the conditions for it were created by god, so millions of people (if they go along with what The Pope says) still believe in a form of creationism, naw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Calling for the petition to be closed, SNP MSP Chic Brodie said: "We've already had as recently as August a statement from the Government in terms of the tradition that we should not determine the curriculum and it's a matter for the educationalists." What is this guy's angle? The finer detail yes that makes sense, but fundamental principles like not letting bible thumpers set the agenda has to come from the state. Would help if the state were actually secular though in a Scottish context with no religious groups having an input on the education system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creation_Science_Movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 I'd like to think your average eight or nine year old would be able to drive a bus through the cornerstones of creation "science". Bottom line is, if your the crux of your argument hinges on "just because" or "my faith tells me" it's almost certainly pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shotgun Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Despite the US Constitution specifically requiring the separation of Church and State, creationism is being taught as fact in many publicly funded US schools. These batshit crazies 'are' the government in many areas of the country. This map is truly chilling. http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2014/01/creationism_in_public_schools_mapped_where_tax_money_supports_alternatives.html I used to share an office with a guy who went to a (private) religious school and while he could dress himself, drive a car, decide what he wanted for lunch and otherwise behave like a rational human being, he believed or rather, knew for a fact that: 1: God created everything over the course of 6 consecutive 24 hour days 2: Dinosaurs and humans co-existed 3: Every animal on earth today looks exactly as it did when God created it, approximately 4,000 years ago. 4: Every event in the bible took place as described. Including the story of Noah's ark. 5: Having gone to a Christian school, he knows the truth whereas I, poor soul that I am, was brainwashed by the anti-God public school system. I had to stop arguing with him because it made my head hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The current widely accepted model of the big bang, expansion etc, is still just as crazy an idea when you think about it that something came out of nothing. That everything in existence started as an infinitely small point. It's pretty crazy when you think about it. We've just run with those ideas and they've become the accepted norm. Teaching other ideas of creation could be useful in a 'question things' way. It's a bit arrogant to assume that what we currently think is definitely what happened though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 You're saying my children are monkeys! You're not the monkey that was messing with that 1320Lichtie's girl in Teneriffe were you? (see 12th photo thread) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 No, I think we should teach children in schools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The current widely accepted model of the big bang, expansion etc, is still just as crazy an idea when you think about it that something came out of nothing. That everything in existence started as an infinitely small point. It's pretty crazy when you think about it. We've just run with those ideas and they've become the accepted norm. Teaching other ideas of creation could be useful in a 'question things' way. It's a bit arrogant to assume that what we currently think is definitely what happened though. Agreed, and if something were to come to light that debunked the current model, reputable scientists would be willing to rip up the book and start again in the light of the new paradigm. It's unlikely to be the discovery of a supernatural bearded old man in the sky with lightning coming out of his fingers though. Creation "scientists" discount all evidence which points to anything other than the predetermined end result they want, and as such aren't scientists at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Obviously not, but some think it should. http://m.stv.tv/news/scotland/299236-scottish-secular-societys-petition-discusses-creationism-teaching/ No idea why these people are even entertained. I smell shite here, not you Enrico dear boy the the Scottish Secular Society. Lets be clear creationism has no place in a science lesson. 1 case in 1 school, that's all they have and that case is fairly old hat. other than that we have Numerous schools are known to have creationist chaplains Unproven assertion there. "It is no longer credible to ignore the fact that there are organisations attempting, and with some success, to penetrate our schools in order to present creationism — young earth doctrines — as a valid alternative to established science Again another unproven assertion. As I say no place for creationism in Science lessons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
honestly united Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 Im not slightly religious but if the God fearers would start telling people that it was God that created all the energy / particles for the big bang, and he created all the scientific rules and just let the thing run its course (a bit like creating a huge simulation where you create the rules and run it to see what happens) then people might start taking them a bit more seriously. Its always the crazies who take things literally that seem to be the loudest, while the ones who have a "its just a story its more the meaning thats important" tend to get drowned out. Anyone though that takes creationism seriously though is either brainwashed or partakes in cleaning the windows of buses with their tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Venti Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The current widely accepted model of the big bang, expansion etc, is still just as crazy an idea when you think about it that something came out of nothing. That everything in existence started as an infinitely small point. It's pretty crazy when you think about it. We've just run with those ideas and they've become the accepted norm. Teaching other ideas of creation could be useful in a 'question things' way. It's a bit arrogant to assume that what we currently think is definitely what happened though. What? ran with ideas that can scientifically be proven, as opposed to a white guy in the middle-east who could walk on water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 The current widely accepted model of the big bang, expansion etc, is still just as crazy an idea when you think about it that something came out of nothing. That everything in existence started as an infinitely small point. It's pretty crazy when you think about it. We've just run with those ideas and they've become the accepted norm. Teaching other ideas of creation could be useful in a 'question things' way. It's a bit arrogant to assume that what we currently think is definitely what happened though. Confusing the debate on the origin of the Cosmos, which is still a scientific debate with creationism which denies evolution and so goes against accepted science, and has no data in it's favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 If we evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom McB Posted November 11, 2014 Share Posted November 11, 2014 What? ran with ideas that can scientifically be proven, as opposed to a white guy in the middle-east who could walk on water? Erm scientific ideas cannot be proven, they can only be disproved. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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