welshbairn Posted September 28, 2016 Share Posted September 28, 2016 Here's an example of American "exceptionalism" (or just plain weirdness), with Donald getting most of his support from the poor and lowly educated and Hillary getting hers from the richer and better educated. It compares their tax plans. http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/9/28/13059582/clinton-trump-taxes-1-percent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 I'm not sure it's been publicised well enough, to be honest. Anyone still thinking Hillary did little wrong should have a read of the latest release of info that came out. The narrative at the moment is dominated by the debate. To be honest I'm starting to think Trump has peaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banana Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 The left/liberal cagey silence/narrative-twisting/playing down of the ongoing emails scandal is telling, I think they're really starting to worry as objectively it looks increasingly corrupt as f**k. There's also apparently more bad dirt to come on Clinton, to be revealed at the appropriate moments, while the Clinton camp has seemingly pretty much run out of dirt on Trump and is just continuing to shout the tired unsubstantiateds of "Racist!", "Sexist!", "Xenophobe!", which are clearly not sticking as much as they did at the start. In fact, I think it's starting to turn even more people off the Clinton campaign and onto Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Is this the worst pair of nominees ever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Is this the worst pair of nominees ever? Undoubtedly. The worst candidate either party has ever put forward, although from the field they had the Republicans could easily have put up worse in Cruz, which is quite incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Paco said: I'm not sure it's been publicised well enough, to be honest. Anyone still thinking Hillary did little wrong should have a read of the latest release of info that came out. The narrative at the moment is dominated by the debate. To be honest I'm starting to think Trump has peaked. This goes through the FBI's latest stuff. It shows more how technologically backward both the State Department and Clinton were rather than any evidence of corruption. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/hillary-clinton-emails-2016-server-state-department-fbi-214307 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 Is this the worst pair of nominees ever? Without doubt, surely.To think that if the Dems had picked Sanders, there's a fairly good chance America would elect a self-described socialist.Likewise, moderate Republicans like Kasich or Jeb! would be running away with this against Clinton.Both parties fucked up big time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnstoun Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 This might mark the last day Donald's advisers let him on his own twitter account... or he'll fire them again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarusQPFC Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 14 hours ago, Paco said: I'm not sure it's been publicised well enough, to be honest. Anyone still thinking Hillary did little wrong should have a read of the latest release of info that came out. The narrative at the moment is dominated by the debate. To be honest I'm starting to think Trump has peaked. Nothing will be publicized, cause Hillary has all the big media groups in her pocket. There is clear evidence from numerous sources that evidence was deleted and she got away with it. Even if the FBI had the balls to actually go after her Obama would have Veto'ed the inquiry. He veto'ed a investigation into Apple over the copyright allegations because "It would hurt US business" He would happily Veto a investigation into Shrillery to protect his party, 8 years ago he told people that Hillary couldn't be trusted, but the Clinton's have a great deal of pull in the Democrats and she gave herself the Secretary of State position to bide her time while she waited for her next shot. Now she has the same guy who said she couldn't be trusted, the fucking President strung up like a marionette telling people "she is the best and greatest person ever and that her farts smell like candyfloss and that she is super amazing and totally the best person ever to be president" Its actually fucking embarrassing for Obama but do you think he had any choice? I've said it before but Trump's only chance is to come back strong on the debates and actually deliver some policies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 30, 2016 Share Posted September 30, 2016 7 hours ago, Sooky said: Without doubt, surely. To think that if the Dems had picked Sanders, there's a fairly good chance America would elect a self-described socialist. Likewise, moderate Republicans like Kasich or Jeb! would be running away with this against Clinton. Both parties fucked up big time. Two key, non-complimentary facts stem from this campaign. 1. In the right circumstances the U.S. electorate would vote for a self-proclaimed socialist. 2. The incredibly deep divisions in U.S. society are not going to be diminished by the result of this election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 8 hours ago, Granny Danger said: Two key, non-complimentary facts stem from this campaign. 1. In the right circumstances the U.S. electorate would vote for a self-proclaimed socialist. 2. The incredibly deep divisions in U.S. society are not going to be diminished by the result of this election. 1. The difficulty being American political parlance. I don't think someone calling themselves a socialist could win. I think a socialist could. 2. Agreed. In the case of a Trump victory, I think it's fair to say they'll be exaggerated. 3. I'd like to add a third fact that has stemmed from this campaign. The Democratic party, just as much as the Republican, is completely removed from its membership. This sounds remarkably similar to the issues surrounding the current Labour party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I was watching BBC news while waiting in the queue at the bank and spotted this very same expression from Donald Trump after one of his speeches. Right away I thought of Mussolini, I'd seen that before. I see others for some time have picked up on this as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 I was watching BBC news while waiting in the queue at the bank and spotted this very same expression from Donald Trump after one of his speeches. Right away I thought of Mussolini, I'd seen that before. I see others for some time have picked up on this as well. You might be onto something here. And it's not just his face pose, the hand movements too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/oct/01/nigel-farage-donald-trump-ukip-presidential-debate-us?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CityDave Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 1 minute ago, jmothecat said: You might be onto something here. And it's not just his face pose, the hand movements too. Looks like he or his PR has had him studying the Fascist Dictator on giving those big rousing speeches. The big difference here is Mussolini was very much a charismatic leader who captured the imagination of many Italian's during the 30's, Donald Trump shows little in the way of charisma at the podium now we know he is copying someone else's style. It shows a lack of originality and imagination. Trump I'm sure didn't copy someone else on his way to becoming a successful businessman, so is this a PR disaster about to happen? I'm sure if we have picked up on it this late, the Americans especially those who have studied speeches and public performances by politicians including other politicians including those over on the Democrats side will have picked up on this months ago. So who's doing Hitler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bishop Briggs Posted October 1, 2016 Share Posted October 1, 2016 10 hours ago, CityDave said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 Allegations in the guardian that Farage has been 'coaching' Trump for the next debate Surely will be a positive for the Trump camp? Just thinking that Trump and Farage would make for a terrific administration. Add Rudy Guilliani, Ben Carson and Chris Christie - America will be great again #TRAGE 0/10. Nobody's believing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted October 2, 2016 Share Posted October 2, 2016 16 minutes ago, Barry Soetoro said: Nearly half of the US electorate think otherwiise Not anymore, he's just alienated all the disgustingly fat voters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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