Ayr145 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 Eddie Wolecki Black appointed Director of Coaching He spat at ma grannies dug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond8 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 No, I'm hopeful that the stadium company will want to get on board with the new youth development program and work out a deal with the new administration. Watch this space... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlukediamond Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 For this level we actually have a pretty big squad, so it's going to take a lot for any youngsters to break through. Only position where I see us having little back-up is centre back, but then centre back is usually the riskiest position to take a chance with a youngster. If Bollan had faith in any Under 20s I would have thought he would have gone more for quality than quantity with the squad and then filled it out with Under 20s. He's done almost the opposite of that. As I've said a few times before though I've no issue with that, you can't give a manager a 12-18 month contract and then complain when he doesn't plan for the long term. That's the problem with developing youth players at this level, all the clubs pay lip service to promoting youth but in reality managers who are out of contract in less than a year aren't going to bother - it's experienced players and quality loanees they want or they'll be unemployed. I am confused, people saying he doesn't have faith in u20s players. Oneill is he not 19-20 he signed Hunter who's 18 all be it on loan. The loan signing from utd is he not 19 Adam Brown is he not 20. There's more u20s in the overall squad this season than previously. In the past if the club hadn't been needing the cash, Jordan allan , Tony watt , Liam coogans could have hung about a bit longer at the club. I haven't seen enough of the u20s yes they won the league last year, but if any of them were ready and good enough and save the club a wage he would play them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Hmm. I think we Airdrie fans are going to have to decide what we want, sooner rather than later. We are only three or four months into Tom Wotherspoon's reign at the club, and I don't think I could be happier - good start in the league, a win in a cup and a clear direction for the club has been outlined. Stability, at last. But then there are still the nay-sayers who want more, who want everything - to be winning the league with a team of U20s, to be beating Rangers, to have a team of players so good that Dunfermline with their 2500 season tickets could only dream of. However, reality means this can't happen, at least not for now. With the appointment of Eddie Wolecki Black we have a clear statement of intent, if it was needed, about where the club is going - forward. To quote our Chief Executive "at a time when club academies are being scaled back, we want to expand ours" which can only bode well for the future on two basis - production of quality (and hopefully quantity) players from the local area for the first team and a means of funding the club through sale of these good players. I couldn't be more excited about tomorrow's "Meet the CEO" event. I hope it's well attended and I'm really looking forward to hearing what Iain King, Gary Bollan and Bryan Prunty have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Hmm. I think we Airdrie fans are going to have to decide what we want, sooner rather than later. We are only three or four months into Tom Wotherspoon's reign at the club, and I don't think I could be happier - good start in the league, a win in a cup and a clear direction for the club has been outlined. Stability, at last. But then there are still the nay-sayers who want more, who want everything - to be winning the league with a team of U20s, to be beating Rangers, to have a team of players so good that Dunfermline with their 2500 season tickets could only dream of. However, reality means this can't happen, at least not for now. With the appointment of Eddie Wolecki Black we have a clear statement of intent, if it was needed, about where the club is going - forward. To quote our Chief Executive "at a time when club academies are being scaled back, we want to expand ours" which can only bode well for the future on two basis - production of quality (and hopefully quantity) players from the local area for the first team and a means of funding the club through sale of these good players. I couldn't be more excited about tomorrow's "Meet the CEO" event. I hope it's well attended and I'm really looking forward to hearing what Iain King, Gary Bollan and Bryan Prunty have to say. This exactly! Fed up with some fans constantly being unhappy with what the club is doing. Is great to see us with a clear direction at last and not just treading water Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Haven't we all heard sound bites before at these events? I'd hope we have the perfect scenario but we need to see these things in action. We produced Tony Watt, Coogans and Jordan Allan at good money out of the youths pre-Bollan (ok, Coogans was sold at a much less lucrative rate during GB's reign, but the hard work was done before GB rubbed the lustre off that one). Under Bollan we've lost Findlay seemingly disgruntled and unable to work with him, now Harper, now we have a woman's coach in a fancy title. What is the next stage? It's quite clear that Bollan doesn't want to work with the u20s, so are we looking at this as a 2-3 year minimum project? Because we aren't getting money for any of these u20s in the near future. Where does Bollan fit in to this picture? In my opinion there are 2 types of manager. The "Teacher type" or the "Manager type". The "Teacher" will work with younger less experienced types and literally coach them through games and situations but the more experience type will struggle with this approach. A Manager type, like Bollan, works better with the experience pro who knows his job, but struggles with the inexperienced type of player. I cannot see Bollan being the right manager under the perfect scenario that we're now being proposed. Why are other clubs scaling back their youth set ups? How is EddieWoleckiBlack getting paid and how much? From a team with around 700 average attendance? And how long till we produce tangiable results? What is the cost of running an academy? We dropped from a £68k/year academy to a £34k/year a couple of years ago. What is the cost of running an academy and funding it all on that kind of money? My main concern with Airdrie just now is the long term future of the club and that revolves entirely around the first team performance, the ownership of the stadium and the size of crowd. 10 years ago we wanted to move from a 12-1300ish crowd to around the 2000 mark average. We've lost so many fans and I can't see that coming back any time soon. We still also have the stadium and club as seperate entities. We need the stadium co and club as 1 body, 1 board, then work towards getting the club back to a size that justifies having this wonderful facility. We should be at least a top end of Division 1 (fkn championship my arse) and cup run team and we need to get back to that. Anything else if just fluff. Yes a woman's coach with 8 consecutive league titles and champions league experience, not quite sure what it is you are getting at with this? Correct me if I'm wrong but would you not say that O'Neill, Watt, Hunter, and Stewart are all inexperienced? From what I have seen they seem to be doing just fine under his "Management" . You cannot have every single player from the under 20's promoted straight to the first team every season, it just doesn't work! Jimmy Boyle tried his best to make this happen but at the end of the day usually ended in failure and a lot of fans of the club were lost during his time at the helm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Oracle Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Haven't we all heard sound bites before at these events? I'd hope we have the perfect scenario but we need to see these things in action. We produced Tony Watt, Coogans and Jordan Allan at good money out of the youths pre-Bollan (ok, Coogans was sold at a much less lucrative rate during GB's reign, but the hard work was done before GB rubbed the lustre off that one). Under Bollan we've lost Findlay seemingly disgruntled and unable to work with him, now Harper, now we have a woman's coach in a fancy title. What is the next stage? It's quite clear that Bollan doesn't want to work with the u20s, so are we looking at this as a 2-3 year minimum project? Because we aren't getting money for any of these u20s in the near future. Where does Bollan fit in to this picture? In my opinion there are 2 types of manager. The "Teacher type" or the "Manager type". The "Teacher" will work with younger less experienced types and literally coach them through games and situations but the more experience type will struggle with this approach. A Manager type, like Bollan, works better with the experience pro who knows his job, but struggles with the inexperienced type of player. I cannot see Bollan being the right manager under the perfect scenario that we're now being proposed. Why are other clubs scaling back their youth set ups? How is EddieWoleckiBlack getting paid and how much? From a team with around 700 average attendance? And how long till we produce tangiable results? What is the cost of running an academy? We dropped from a £68k/year academy to a £34k/year a couple of years ago. What is the cost of running an academy and funding it all on that kind of money? My main concern with Airdrie just now is the long term future of the club and that revolves entirely around the first team performance, the ownership of the stadium and the size of crowd. 10 years ago we wanted to move from a 12-1300ish crowd to around the 2000 mark average. We've lost so many fans and I can't see that coming back any time soon. We still also have the stadium and club as seperate entities. We need the stadium co and club as 1 body, 1 board, then work towards getting the club back to a size that justifies having this wonderful facility. We should be at least a top end of Division 1 (fkn championship my arse) and cup run team and we need to get back to that. Anything else if just fluff. I wondered how long it'd take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Given that Stevie Findlay and Kevin Harper have scarpered lately from that role throws up question marks? No? Findlay left for Queen's Park because he wanted a new challenge. Harper left because of personal reasons - the team liked him as a coach and King & Wotherspoon were very happy with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 O'Neill and Watt have been in team for 3-4 years now, both with over 60 games (I'd say 100games qualifies as an exprience pro so I'd say they're works in progress), both got short shrift last season under Bollan and both would have had to force their way in to team but got a good run this season due to Van Zanten and Morton being missing for spells. Most of our fans on here seem to be unconvinced by O'Neill, I think he's excellent and will get more comfy with a few more games on the left. Watt I've always believed in, documented on here, but I've been frustrated by how few times they've played under GB. Stewart (who I like too) got a sighter early in season due to injury and being about the only fit midfielder but he's now on short rations now Fitz is back and we've signed Smith and Brown. I think Steward doesn't merit a 1st team slot yet he's still raw, but how may 6' plus box - box midfielders are there? Another year in the 20s and some experience in the 1st team will see him well, I think next season we should be counting on him. Hope the fans give him a fair chance when he gets blooded again this year and think longer term with him. The only young players who get a fair crack of the whip are the loanees coming in (Hunter, Smith, Gasparotto, Lindsay), or if we have something exceptional of our own (very few?). The exception just now with O'Neill and Watt is that they're out performing what we have already, that in essence is what being a young pro is all about and brings the argument back around again. As stated, Bollan isn't for fucking about like Boyle had to with inexperienced players who aren't ready, and to be brutally fair, it's not him at all. Square peg, round hole. If we're going to be the "blood youngsters" at all cost and sell them type of club then I really fear we're not properly set up just now based on all visual evidence. I know our board with throw up Hamilton as a "model". I remember clearly the differnce from Billy Reid's rugbyish team of around 2004-5ish with the likes of Pat Keogh, Sandy Hodge, Mark McLaughlin team. They suddenly brought in the likes of McCarthy and McArthur due to finances and the situation they were in and were much heralded for it, but that experiment worked in no small part to the role that the utterly fantastic Alex Neil played on the park with them. The wee man was so good at that time with those kids (16 and 18y/o at the time), he pulled their strings and covered their faults brilliantly and literally developed them. Do we have that kind of ability? I think that is a once in a generation fluke that worked more to the cards falling in all the right places at the right time (one off, under rated genius of a player/future manager, with a few youngsters who were a once in a blue moon kind of quality). If you want to pick holes fire away but make sure you're ready for it. Eddie Wolecki has been out of the game for a few months and to me he seems a good guy he's married to a local woman (Emma Fearnon), so it makes sense and wish him all the best, but surely even the happy clappers/monkey watchers on here should take every soundbite from the club for what it is and try to make sense of it, ask the right questions of needs be. Eddie has been a player, manager, etc. at pro clubs and has been in the women's game for a long time, not sure what calibre it makes him to have CL experience and 8 titles in a row. I think he'll do well in that role if supported right, but it's not Alex Ferguson or Alex Neil we've brought in. Given that Stevie Findlay and Kevin Harper have scarpered lately from that role throws up question marks? No? I can see if from both sides. As a fan I want a winning team on the park. Give Bollan the tools and he'd get us up. But he won't be as successful as Boyle was at selling on youths, and that's what the club are making noises they want to do. Well congratulations on officially the longest post ever on an Airdrie thread. You can call people happy clappers or whatever you like, at the end of the day whether you like it or not the club IS moving in the right direction, just because we have the doom merchants like yourself coming on here and saying Bollan is hard to work with and no youth team coach will ever be as good at Findlay doesn't make it true. At this moment in time I just want to see the team doing well, if in years to come we become a club that produces great players year in year out then great but at the moment we should be pleased with how things are going. I mean when was the last time there was as much off field activity and the team was sitting in a reasonable position early on in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Dont go giving me a label, i'm the most positive person you'll meet. Maybe you mistake me for being not gullible? And dont be making false interpretations of what I said, ie., everything above. So you mean to say we aren't getting a floating pitch or a super casino at the stadium? If the board were truly trying to appeal to the gullible amongst us I'm sure they would have made slightly more outrageous claims other than we are increasing the size of the academy and if we get promoted we will go full time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Zzzzzz Is it too much to ask for to be optimistic for the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airdrie76 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 If you want to pick holes fire away but make sure you're ready for it. Eddie Wolecki has been out of the game for a few months and to me he seems a good guy he's married to a local woman (Emma Fearnon), so it makes sense and wish him all the best, but surely even the happy clappers/monkey watchers on here should take every soundbite from the club for what it is and try to make sense of it, ask the right questions of needs be. Eddie has been a player, manager, etc. at pro clubs and has been in the women's game for a long time, not sure what calibre it makes him to have CL experience and 8 titles in a row. I think he'll do well in that role if supported right, but it's not Alex Ferguson or Alex Neil we've brought in. Given that Stevie Findlay and Kevin Harper have scarpered lately from that role throws up question marks? No? Eddie Wolecki has been coaching Edusport in the South of Scotland league has he not? I don't know much about him but he seems well thought of. Hopefully he'll get the right backing and do well as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Armada Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Findlay left for Queen's Park because he wanted a new challenge. Harper left because of personal reasons - the team liked him as a coach and King & Wotherspoon were very happy with him. Harper left cause bollan didn't want to work with him or vice versa and they fell out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Harper left cause bollan didn't want to work with him or vice versa and they fell out Fact!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerrdavidson95 Posted September 29, 2015 Author Share Posted September 29, 2015 Harper left cause bollan didn't want to work with him or vice versa and they fell out Wouldn't mind some proof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD1711 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Findlay left for Queen's Park because he wanted a new challenge. Harper left because of personal reasons - the team liked him as a coach and King & Wotherspoon were very happy with him. For what it is worth Kevin Harper has on his LinkedIn profile that he is looking for new coaching opportunities so I don't buy the excuse that he gave before that he doesn't have the time etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not sure if it's related but Harper was just in the news for some incident regarding a shop keeper, maybe Airdrie didn't know about it at the time of hiring and didn't want associated with it? http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/1328850-ex-hibs-striker-kevin-harper-cleared-of-attacking-shop-worker/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeeDiamond90 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not sure if it's related but Harper was just in the news for some incident regarding a shop keeper, maybe Airdrie didn't know about it at the time of hiring and didn't want associated with it? http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/1328850-ex-hibs-striker-kevin-harper-cleared-of-attacking-shop-worker/ Listen don't be coming onto this thread with your highly plausible explanations you will upset the conspiracy theorist who are desperate for it to be Bollan's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Armada Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Watch this space... Would you like to expand on that comment?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanish Armada Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Not sure if it's related but Harper was just in the news for some incident regarding a shop keeper, maybe Airdrie didn't know about it at the time of hiring and didn't want associated with it? http://m.stv.tv/news/west-central/1328850-ex-hibs-striker-kevin-harper-cleared-of-attacking-shop-worker/ Aye pal Piss aff it's bollans fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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