welshbairn Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 The vid at the top of this story is worth watching. An awful lot of Americans seem to mimic Hollywood characters, although maybe I'm wrong and it's the other way around. Well done to him anyway. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/11/06/an-unlikely-hero-describes-gun-battle-and-95-mph-chase-with-texas-shooting-suspect/?utm_term=.a5f3b6809eec 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 36 minutes ago, Trackdaybob said: I'm finding it increasingly hard to be sympathetic. They are not interested in the slightest in doing anything to solve the problem. Thoughts and prayers definitely no gonna do it. Until the next one Not the case at all, they want more people to go armed, apparently that will make it all better. I'm sure that will be the answer....... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, chomp my root said: Not the case at all, they want more people to go armed, apparently that will make it all better. I'm sure that will be the answer....... Proof if any were needed that america is nothing more than a very poor reality tv program these days. It's even worse than that made in chelsea pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, Trackdaybob said: Proof if any were needed that america is nothing more than a very poor reality tv program these days. It's even worse than that made in chelsea pish. I'm not sure why they bother with the multiple law enforcement agencies, just make sure everyone is armed to the teeth and they can sort it out themselves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 59 minutes ago, Trackdaybob said: I'm finding it increasingly hard to be sympathetic. They are not interested in the slightest in doing anything to solve the problem. Thoughts and prayers definitely no gonna do it. Until the next one I posted something very similar on here after the last one and got accused of being s sociopath. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackdaybob Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just now, Granny Danger said: I posted something very similar on here after the last one and got accused of being s sociopath. Meh, they can say what they like. I'm just saying it as I see it. I'm paying less and less attention to the news, media, social media, etc as it's all just doom and gloom, shit like this, thoughts and prayers, likes and shares. They're welcome to it all. I'm more concentrated on my on wee window in the world, the things that are important to me and I'm much better off for it. As much as I did enjoy my recent times in the USA (3-4 months a year last three years), ultimately, it's a fucked up country that refuses to deal with a very real situation that could, with a little effort, be improved upon but for whatever reason chooses not to. I'm not saying they could ever completely eradicate the threat but they could take steps towards the greater good but they won't. Good luck to them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 8 minutes ago, Trackdaybob said: I'm not saying they could ever completely eradicate the threat but they could take steps towards the greater good but they won't. Good luck to them. 'Gun activists' don't see it as a threat but as acceptable collateral damage. For them the right to carry a gun to go for your messages matters much more than a small number of folk killed in mass shootings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 'Gun activists' don't see it as a threat but as acceptable collateral damage. For them the right to carry a gun to go for your messages matters much more than a small number of folk killed in mass shootings. It's incredible but you're right. I see it like some ancient African customs - each to their own but it's fucked up beyond belief. When acceptable collateral damage includes the death of an 18 month old baby then you know you've lost the plot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 Just now, The_Kincardine said: 'Gun activists' don't see it as a threat but as acceptable collateral damage. For them the right to carry a gun to go for your messages matters much more than a small number of folk killed in mass shootings. This is it. It's an acceptable expense for their freedom to own guns. You might as well try and take their car/house/kids. I can guarantee you that people directly affected by shootings still won't want gun control. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, The Marly said: Or The Progressive Liberal "It's in our white culture that people sent to jail for beating their wife and kid and kicked out of the Army should be allowed to buy assault rifles godangit." (Just filling in) Edited November 6, 2017 by welshbairn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, pandarilla said: It's incredible but you're right. I see it like some ancient African customs - each to their own but it's fucked up beyond belief.When acceptable collateral damage includes the death of an 18 month old baby then you know you've lost the plot. Indeed. I haven't seen it stated explicitly yet but I have a hefty wager that two "good ole boys" chasing the shooter in a truck and forcing him off the road will be seen as vindication of Texas' liberal gun policy. "Look, we got the guy. The system works". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: 'Gun activists' don't see it as a threat but as acceptable collateral damage. For them the right to carry a gun to go for your messages matters much more than a small number of folk killed in mass shootings. Yup and hard for the rest of us to get our heads round. That the Second Amendment is an AMENDMENT kind of suggests that things were changed to include it, a lot of Septics seem to see it as unchangeable because it suits their personal agenda. I can understand why they would want firearms to hunt or even a handgun for home defence, the logic of being able to rally against the State if the State was trying to oppress them falls flat on its arse, having an assault rife isn't going to help when the State roll up in a tank or helicopter gunship, basically utter bollocks but its a mass delusion that a hell of a lot of them buy into. Any change will have to be 'forced' on them, its ingrained into the psyche of far too many, can't see it happening any time soon, even Obama who was keen on changes couldn't swing it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: "It's in our culture that people sent to jail for beating their wife and kid and kicked out of the Army should be allowed to buy assault rifles godangit." (Just filling in) A couple of wids there, any takers for this one ???? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 3 minutes ago, chomp my root said: Yup and hard for the rest of us to get our heads round. That the Second Amendment is an AMENDMENT kind of suggests that things were changed to include it, a lot of Septics seem to see it as unchangeable because it suits their personal agenda. I can understand why they would want firearms to hunt or even a handgun for home defence, the logic of being able to rally against the State if the State was trying to oppress them falls flat on its arse, having an assault rife isn't going to help when the State roll up in a tank or helicopter gunship, basically utter bollocks but its a mass delusion that a hell of a lot of them buy into. Any change will have to be 'forced' on them, its ingrained into the psyche of far too many, can't see it happening any time soon, even Obama who was keen on changes couldn't swing it. The utterly obvious thing about the 2nd Amendment was it wasn't about having individual rights to buy modern military grade weapons, it was about encouraging armed militias in case of attack, most likely from Britain. Guns were very expensive back then, and most people didn't own one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 5 minutes ago, Cerberus said: I can guarantee you that people directly affected by shootings still won't want gun control. The strange thing is they will not all be morons. Many of them will, maybe even most of them, but there will be s large number of intelligent and educated people who will also hold this position. Is it some cultural, group think physcosis 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 1 minute ago, welshbairn said: The utterly obvious thing about the 2nd Amendment was it wasn't about having individual rights to buy modern military grade weapons, it was about encouraging armed militias in case of attack, most likely from Britain. Guns were very expensive back then, and most people didn't own one. Aye, a lot seems to have been lost or twisted along the way. Like I say, I've heard the justification that they need to be able to fight against the State if the people feel they're being oppressed being used a fair bit. That this crap hasn't been called out as absolutely futile tells a story in itself, its quite despairing that culturally there is the 'want' to have automatic weapons that are only designed to kill people. I've shot over the years myself as well as doing the bang-sticks when I was in the Forces, I'm very comfortable with firearms but for the life of me, I really don't get this mass psychosis about being armed to the teeth. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louis Litt Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 (edited) If it really isn't a gun problem, but, like Trump said, a mental health problem, I'd be really interested to know why he lifted Obama's ban on mental health patients needing checks to buy a gun in February this year. Edited November 6, 2017 by Louis Litt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Marly Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 If it really isn't a gun problem, but, like Trump said, a mental health problem, I'd be really interested to know why he lifted Obama's ban on mental health patients needing checks to buy a gun in February this year. Because he has mental health problems of his own. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chomp my root Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 27 minutes ago, Louis Litt said: If it really isn't a gun problem, but, like Trump said, a mental health problem, I'd be really interested to know why he lifted Obama's ban on mental health patients needing checks to buy a gun in February this year. Is this real ? Sorry for questioning but I hadn't heard this, that's frightening on a number of different levels. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 19 minutes ago, Louis Litt said: If it really isn't a gun problem, but, like Trump said, a mental health problem, I'd be really interested to know why he lifted Obama's ban on mental health patients needing checks to buy a gun in February this year. That was very limited, just people who needed help filling in benefit claim forms because of mental difficulties. Literate psychopaths were still cool, as are people on the No Flight List because of suspected terrorist links. The daft thing is that the NRA is not some monolithic force that controls everything, they spend a tiny $4 million a year in lobbying and bribing politicians which is minuscule compared to the likes of Pharma and polluting industries etc. Politicians are scared shitless of them though. The polls are weird, an increasing amount of people are against gun control, slightly over 50% after many years of being under, but it's a different story if you ask specific questions. http://www.people-press.org/2016/08/26/opinions-on-gun-policy-and-the-2016-campaign/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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