Yet another US shooting

[TxRover]

3 minutes ago, printer said:

Easily done tbf.

Don’t get too smug…

[Fullerene]

On 01/04/2023 at 17:31, TxRover said:

I understand the argument, but I think you overestimate the intelligence of the U.S. electorate as  a whole. You can tell a wall that a fact is true, but the wall won’t respond. The Republican Party is now the party of the poorly educated masses, people who won’t believe anything you tell them unless it’s Laura Ingraham or such telling them what to think. Jon Stewart has a chance because he’s white and looks like a lot of them, but then he talks funny and uses big words. 70%+ of Fox News viewers have at most some college education, and 40% are high school graduate or less. Critical thinking is not a skill possessed of these demographic groups, and a vast majority of these people believe that businesses are out to help them, not hurt them.

My view is that if you have a strong opinion on something nobody will sway you but you are easily swayed on any issue where you have no opinion at all.   If Benin and Togo went to war tomorrow, who would you support?  Apart from knowing these were two countries next door to Nigeria, do you know that much about them?

The US electorate are not more stupid than anyone else except that they are less informed on anything that happens outside the state they live in.  If you keep people ignorant of the world at large, it is easier to sway their opinion.   

[TxRover]

17 minutes ago, Fullerene said:

My view is that if you have a strong opinion on something nobody will sway you but you are easily swayed on any issue where you have no opinion at all.   If Benin and Togo went to war tomorrow, who would you support?  Apart from knowing these were two countries next door to Nigeria, do you know that much about them?

The US electorate are not more stupid than anyone else except that they are less informed on anything that happens outside the state they live in.  If you keep people ignorant of the world at large, it is easier to sway their opinion.   

It’s a compelling argument when you look at recent actions by Conservative majorities in a number of states banning books and prohibiting teaching a number of subjects. The problem here is increased by the already limited breadth of education in schools in the U.S., where World History is taught once in 13 years, as is Geography, but a sanitized version of U.S. History is taught three times. In other years, the “Social Studies” courses seldom cover anything of an international nature.

There was actually a Texas textbook submitted for approval, and approved, that referred to slaves as “immigrant workers”. When this was noticed, the publisher agreed to change it, but the paper version won’t be revised until 2024!

[Oystercatcher]

Just got a message from my mate in Mendocino

"Active shooter in fort Bragg high school."

 

What the f@ck is it going to take for Americans to see sense about their guns 

[carpetmonster]

3 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said:

Just got a message from my mate in Mendocino

"Active shooter in fort Bragg high school."

 

What the f@ck is it going to take for Americans to see sense about their guns 

The moment came and went with Sandy Hook unfortunately. 

[TxRover]

59 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said:

Just got a message from my mate in Mendocino

"Active shooter in fort Bragg high school."

 

What the f@ck is it going to take for Americans to see sense about their guns 

They see sense…it’s just not the kind of sense any rational or intelligent people would see. The simple facts are:

1) Money talks, and the gun industry donates vastly more money than anyone else.

2) The way U.S. elections work, with party primaries that have terribly low turnouts, encourage the selection of radical candidates over main stream ones.

3) The vast majority of the low turnout in the general election vote either a party line or by “names” and parties.

4) Gerrymandering has reduced competitive districts across the U.S. to less than 60 of 438.

5) So you end up with nut jobs like Boebert and Greene in office, because they were the choice in a Red district. They won because the party primary was controlled by less than 3% of the electorate, and put them into the general election against someone from the other side who has little to no chance to win.

6) 70% of Americans support more gun control in most polls, and despite that fact it won’t pass.

7) 51.3% is the total popular vote Biden received. In Congress, that same vote resulted in 212 of 435, or 48.7% in the House of Representatives, and 50 of 100 in the Senate, or 50%.

Finally, you need 60% in the Senate to assure passing legislation.

Edited April 3, 2023 by TxRover

[Oystercatcher]

Apparently it was a hoax, 3 schools targeted by hoax callers, mate said it was mental, swat teams, helicopters the lot.

 

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On 28/03/2023 at 18:57, Mark Connolly said:

2 weeks ago was the 27th anniversary of Dunblane. There is plenty to say about John Major and Tony Blair, but they both took steps as PM to ensure nothing like that ever happened again.

Since that day, there have been 0 school shootings in the UK. There have been 398 in the US. In the two weeks since the 27th anniversary, there have been 3 school shootings in the US.

I don't really have a point here, at least not one that we don't already know, but those numbers are absolutely astonishing.

Thankfully we had the political will to make the changes required, however I don't think we can rest gun violence is still too high we were unlikely to make changes whilst Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson was in post as he was one of the biggest critics of the changes post Dunblane, which as an aside should have been reason enough never to take office. But the Labour party need to tighten things up to prevent the mass shooting we saw in 2021.

[TxRover]

Now this one is quality…Farmington, New Mexico. Police are dispatched to a domestic disturbance at an address, but go to the wrong address across the street. Man answers door, armed, police shot him…his armed wife opens fire on police…who return fire until sanity breaks out. Husband dies.

https://www.koat.com/article/farmington-police-kill-man-wrong-response-location/43535201#

[Theroadlesstravelled]

Florida sheriff goes on a wild rant against gun laws while announcing arrests in shootings that killed 3 teenagers.

The sheriff said the suspects obtained the guns used in the shootings through car burglaries.
“All the gun laws we got in place didn’t prevent it, did it? Neither will any new ones. Because here’s the fact: The bad guy is going to get a gun no matter what law you put in place. These juveniles shouldn't even possess a handgun but they did,” Woods added.

 

Dude, if there was proper gun laws in place then there wouldn't have been a gun to steal.
Add Florida to the flyover states.

[TxRover]

11 hours ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

Florida sheriff goes on a wild rant against gun laws while announcing arrests in shootings that killed 3 teenagers.

The sheriff said the suspects obtained the guns used in the shootings through car burglaries.
“All the gun laws we got in place didn’t prevent it, did it? Neither will any new ones. Because here’s the fact: The bad guy is going to get a gun no matter what law you put in place. These juveniles shouldn't even possess a handgun but they did,” Woods added.

 

Dude, if there was proper gun laws in place then there wouldn't have been a gun to steal.
Add Florida to the flyover states.

Maybe a thought about how keeping a gun in a car doesn’t comply with any safe storage options, unless the car has a gun vault installed…and since they got the guns, probably not. Here’s a question, Mr. Sheriff, are you arresting anyone for leaving a gun in an unlocked vehicle? (I’ll bet the majority of those cars were unlocked, actually breaking into a car is very rare…most cases are kids/young adults walking through neighbourhoods and trying out car doors)

[Suspect Device]

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65233350

 

5 dead and 6 taken to hospital according to early reports.

[BillyAnchor]

Thoughts and prayers

[101]

58 minutes ago, Suspect Device said:

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-65233350

 

5 dead and 6 taken to hospital according to early reports.

For every employee with a grievance there should be a good one to shoot the bad one down, is presumably the lesson taken from this? 

Very sad for the victims of course but the American news circus will be there for a day and move on to the next one with nothing down about the cause of this madness.

[Venti]

What the acual F with the violence today?!

[TxRover]

You know, on the whole, the likely only solution to this is to fund a huge arena and hold an active shooter game show. Let anyone with a grievance or gripe to bring their favorite weapon to the arena and go head to head with a bunch of other pissed off people for a chance to win a prize…why the hell not. That way we’d end up with one possible shooter versus however many others gets killed by each other, and we’d have identified the one left to watch. Plus, let people watch it, if they want, and maybe they’ll see it ain’t pretty like on TV and the movies.

[Rugster]

1 minute ago, TxRover said:

You know, on the whole, the likely only solution to this is to fund a huge arena and hold an active shooter game show. Let anyone with a grievance or gripe to bring their favorite weapon to the arena and go head to head with a bunch of other pissed off people for a chance to win a prize…why the hell not. That way we’d end up with one possible shooter versus however many others gets killed by each other, and we’d have identified the one left to watch. Plus, let people watch it, if they want, and maybe they’ll see it ain’t pretty like on TV and the movies.

Alternatively, ban guns. 

[101]

Just now, Rugster said:

Alternatively, ban guns. 

^ Stupid woke liberal

You are clearly...

[TxRover]

2 hours ago, Rugster said:

Alternatively, ban guns. 

Just as a matter of interest, how? Given the Constitution would require the compensation of people for their guns…estimated 395 million guns, average value over $500…that’s a cool $197,500,000,000 to start with. Now, then you have hunting…if we ban that, Bambi, Zazu and company will quickly overpopulate and it gets very messy. What about varmint control, wild pigs are a serious problem in many parts of the U.S. now, they will quickly start destroying crops and stuff.

OK, let’s say we figure that out and have the money, there is no registry of weapons in the U.S., so how do we collect the weapons? How much bloodshed are we willing to accept, because there will be a pretty decent group of people who believe the old “you can cave my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead hands”?

The U.S. has likely passed any point of weapons collection being a viable option. It’s too big a task, with too many people invested in opposing such an option, and it’s just not doable. The viable option would be incremental change over time, a slow reduction in weapons over time might be doable.

Edited April 10, 2023 by TxRover

[Jambomo]

Yeah, given the scale at which people own and use guns in America tbh is banning them a realistic policy? For that you at least need a majority willing population and they would never get that.

if the USA don’t care when their kids get killed, then honestly they will never get to a point where banning guns is possible and happens.