Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, jakedee said: Of course they will, but some form of settlement will have to be reached with the rUK over compensation for contributions that have already been collected by them. Is this still a bone of contention? No. I rest my case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, TheScarf said: And what about all the money Scots have paid into their pensions before independence? Who will pay that? Irrelevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Dawson Park Boy said: Irrelevant. How the fuck are you still not getting this? You're either trolling, or just very thick. As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: Irrelevant. f**k me, your stupid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking fuck me, this kid is next level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, TheScarf said: How the f**k are you still not getting this? You're either trolling, or just very thick. As an aside, will you be moving to the UK when Scotland gains independence? 12 minutes ago, TheScarf said: I know the vast, vast majority of Falkirk fans live in some wild fantasy world where they're a Premiership top 6 club, but fucking f**k me, this kid is next level. GD gets it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, Dawson Park Boy said: GD gets it. Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 15 hours ago, BudBudBud said: Because the UK is a country, and if you have an emotional attachment to it then you don’t want part of it splitting off. it’s not being denied anyway, because Scots don’t want it. The UK isnt a country. But the notion that the tories love us to the extent that they’d (if your arguement is correct (which it isnt) that Scotland is a financial burden but its ok for lil ole england to pick up the slack) fund us to ‘more than rest of the UK levels when the English voter is amongst the most inward xenophobic dey dook ar jabs types going is quite the take. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said: Not having a pot of cash for something doesn't mean there isn't a liability. There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as you live after independence. If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court.If you are talking about the Advocate General for Scotland - that's actually an appointment of HM Government. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 There is a liability and it will be paid by the SG as long as you live after independence. If you die before or during receiving the pension your estate gets nil unlike funded pensions.You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 59 minutes ago, Jedi said: Looks like they might as well have put Donald Findlay in, to argue the SG case at the Supreme Court. I've you are talking about the Advocate General for Scotland - that's actually an appointment of HM Government. Felt sorry for her. I think she knew she was on a loser. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: You can't even get that bit right - there are cases when your husband, wife, or civil partner (if you have one) could inherit some of your State Pension. This depends on the amount of National Insurance contributions you both made, and when you both reached (or will reach) State Pension age. I’m talking mainstream state retirement pension. Please address the central point? On independence, the SG willpaypensions out of current taxation. The UK government will pay RUK pensions. Just hope that there will be enough high salaried individuals paying lots of tax to maintain your pension. London and the South East will no longer be subsiding. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 I’m talking mainstream state retirement pension. Please address the central point? On independence, the SG willpaypensions out of current taxation. The UK government will pay RUK pensions. Just hope that there will be enough high salaried individuals paying lots of tax to maintain your pension. London and the South East will no longer be subsiding.As am I.That was a quote from the Government's own website about state pensions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawson Park Boy Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: As am I. That was a quote from the Government's own website about state pensions. Well, in the cases you mention, they will also be paid by SG. Please address the central point? There is NO fund. Pensions are paid from current taxation and post independence the SG will pay Scottish pensioners. Very straightforward and fair! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) As Robin McAlpine points out, during the (proposed) transition from using sterling, to setting up a Scottish Central Bank and issuing Scottish currency (however long that takes), the SG would have to cover any funding gap from taxation. This is because any funds which are in the Central Bank (while it is using sterling but building up reserves), would quite quickly be swallowed up on public spending (all of health, education, and yes, penshuunns et al). Once the Central Bank funds have been depleted the gap in resources would have to be covered by taxation.....possible, but clearly taxes would have to go up. Once the Scottish currency comes on-line, it has to build up a respectable image to be floated on international markets, establish an exchange rate etc. That is more difficult to do if taxation has had to be pushed up. So.....much better option would be to have a Scottish currency ready to run from day 1 of Independence. This is definitely manageable, given that there would probably be a 2-3 year period of negotiations following a Yes vote.....but 'only' if the SNP drop their idea to continue using sterling in the first instance. Edited October 13, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Well, in the cases you mention, they will also be paid by SG. Please address the central point? There is NO fund. Pensions are paid from current taxation and post independence the SG will pay Scottish pensioners. Very straightforward and fair!This has been explained to you ad infinitum.Any pension built up prior to independence is a liability for the UK government. Any pension built up afterwards would be a liability for the Scottish Government.We currently have thousands who get pensions despite not being UK Nationals or residing in the UK because they paid sufficient NI contributions - it's that simple. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 2 hours ago, TheScarf said: f**k me, first the EU queue pish, today it's 'The UK is country'. What's the fallacy for tomorrow? We've had penshuns and currency. I'll take defence/NATO if that's ok with everyone? Re defence, the UK government and MoD have some years back drawn up the cost of Scottish Independence to England, the largest financial cost was the relocation of Faslane nuclear submarine base, one suggestion by the MoD was that Scotland would be paid a large annual financial retainer for a status quo situation, this of course would be absolutely rejected by an SNP government. On another note, bear in mind that in Putin's present state of mind that west coast area would be first strike, and given present day IC nuclear missiles capabilities there would be virtually no warning. It is likely that Russian nuclear subs are lurking off St Kilda now, so thanks to England and the union Southern Scotland is expendable, just a thought. Also there are huge reserves of oil and gas in the lower reaches of the Firth of Clyde and beyond in that area and due to the movements of nuclear submarines no drilling exploration is allowed. Just think the likes of Lochgilphead could have been a major oil servicing port. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SandyCromarty Posted October 13, 2022 Share Posted October 13, 2022 Just now, Jedi said: As Robin McAlpine points out, during the (proposed) transition from using sterling, to setting up a Scottish Central Bank and issuing Scottish currency (however long that takes), the SG would have to cover any funding gap from taxation. This is because any funds which are in the Central Bank (while it is using sterling but building up reserves), would quite quickly be swallowed up on public spending (all of health, education, and yes, penshuunns et al). Once the Central Bank funds have been depleted the gap in resources would have to be covered by taxation.....possible, but clearly taxes would have to go up. Once the Scottish currency comes on-line, it has to build up a respectable image to be floated on international markets, establish an exchange rate etc. That is more difficult to do if taxation has had to be pushed up. So.....much better option would be to have a Scottish currency ready to run from day 1 of Independence. This is definitely manageable, given that there would probably be a 2-3 year period of negotiations following a Yes vote.....but 'only' if the SNP drop their idea to continue using sterling in the first instance. The EU to spite england and it's brexit nonsense would back a Scottish Bank to the hilt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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