invergowrie arab Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Unless you are one of the near 600,000 public sector workers in Scotland who pay into a public service pension. You now face a real terms 1.4% pay cut due to the end of state second pension and the loss of NI rebate. If you are coming up for retirement you are likely to get less than you anticipated as your existing NI record will determine the majority of your entitlement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Unless you are one of the near 600,000 public sector workers in Scotland who pay into a public service pension. You now face a real terms 1.4% pay cut due to the end of state second pension and the loss of NI rebate. If you are coming up for retirement you are likely to get less than you anticipated as your existing NI record will determine the majority of your entitlement. Hell mend anyone who listened to the promises of Gordon Brown about the necessity of a "No" vote in safeguarding UK pensions. The man is a notorious liar and a more notorious raider of pensions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 and finally... Better Together @UK_Together 27 Aug 2014 Gordon Brown in Dundee: "Our UK welfare state offers better protection for pensioners, disabled and the unemployed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Another blame the no voters thread #bittergreetingfools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 and finally... Better Together @UK_Together 27 Aug 2014 Gordon Brown in Dundee: "Our UK welfare state offers better protection for pensioners, disabled and the unemployed." Oil anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Oil anyone. Typical Britnat Scottish cringe, rubbing your hands in glee at the drop in oil price. You're like a small child who wanders into a movie, Kev. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 I don't blame no voters to be honest, I blame politicians on both sides of the argument. Yes would've won with a more convincing argument (although they could never offer the cast iron guarantees that some wanted), the no camp gave reassurances which are now proving to be a lot of shite. It's understandable that people would vote to protect their own interests. The fact that a lot of what is happening now is what the no camp said wouldn't happen in the UK and would happen in an Independent Scotland is actually pretty awful. It's compounded by the fact the Tories got a majority, but we all knew that was a possibility, albeit a remote one this time last year. I don't really like celebrating people being worse off at all. I know it may have been a naïve decision to vote no (or yes), but they would think their vote was justified at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Typical Britnat Scottish cringe, rubbing your hands in glee at the drop in oil price. You're like a small child who wanders into a movie, Kev. Maybe that secret oil field the Govt was hiding from Scotland will turn up one day or possibly we could plant SNP magic beans and climb up and get.....etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 This would be the same no matter if we voted yes or no tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 The fundamental problem with the pension system is that it's designed with the assumption of having a population pyramid. Something which hasn't been the case for a long time. The problem is going to persist regardless of whether we got independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted October 22, 2015 Share Posted October 22, 2015 Oil anyone. But the UK oil fund protects us from the dangers of a fluctuating oil price, right? What - you mean the UK's management of oil revenue has made Scotland *poorer for having discovered it*?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Hmrc to pay off lots and close most of its buildings in Scotland http://www.cumbernauld-media.com/news/politics/1206-labour-claims-cumbernauld-tax-office-jobs-are-under-threat-from-indyref-yes-vote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The sad reality is that most folk, including the overwhelming majority that voted both YES and NO, are not really politically engaged. Most NO voters will not link all the shit that has happened since the referendum to their decision to oppose independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The argument was never that pensions would be equally as generous as they are at the moment in perpetuity. The argument was that an independent Scotland would not be able to be as generous as the UK would in the equivalent position. You can agree or disagree with that claim, but simply going "pensions aren't as good as they used to be therefore they were lying/deceiving/breaking promises" is simplistic and wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The argument was never that pensions would be equally as generous as they are at the moment in perpetuity. The argument was that an independent Scotland would not be able to be as generous as the UK would in the equivalent position. You can agree or disagree with that claim, but simply going "pensions aren't as good as they used to be therefore they were lying/deceiving/breaking promises" is simplistic and wrong. Do you agree or disagree with the claim that "an independent Scotland would not be able to be as generous as the UK would in the equivalent position"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrExile Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 The sad reality is that most folk, including the overwhelming majority that voted both YES and NO, are not really politically engaged. Most NO voters will not link all the shit that has happened since the referendum to their decision to oppose independence. As you've been clued up enough to notice these links can you please enlighten the rest of us what exactly we are missing please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Typical Britnat Scottish cringe, rubbing your hands in glee at the drop in oil price. You're like a small child who wanders into a movie, Kev. And at the same time, certain nationalists are rubbing their hands with glee at cuts to benefits and pensions (amongst other things). The two extremes are as bad as each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 12, 2015 Author Share Posted November 12, 2015 The argument was never that pensions would be equally as generous as they are at the moment in perpetuity. The argument was that an independent Scotland would not be able to be as generous as the UK would in the equivalent position. You can agree or disagree with that claim, but simply going "pensions aren't as good as they used to be therefore they were lying/deceiving/breaking promises" is simplistic and wrong. Maybe not in perpetuity but a year might have been nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottR96 Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Cumbernauld and Kilsyth Labour Party tweeting about how outraged they are that the Tax Office is closing The tax office closing will surely be the final nail in Cumbernauld's coffin. By far and away the biggest employer in the town and important for the local economy with it situated right next to the shopping centre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Do you agree or disagree with the claim that "an independent Scotland would not be able to be as generous as the UK would in the equivalent position"?I think there's an arguable case that public sector pensions would be more expensive in an independent Scotland, as the risk of investment with a smaller pot would be higher and less spread out. That would probably have an indirect effect on investment decisions and could mean that the payouts were less generous.Whether this would have a significant impact I don't pretend to know. There are too many variables for a layperson like me to have a firm view on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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