Time for B Teams

[cmontheloknow]

The whereabouts last year of players aged 16-19 in season 2010-11 for clubs in last year's top division:

Aberdeen

 

(Players born 1991-1994)

Scott Bain (Dundee)
Jordon Brown (Peterhead)
Dean Carse (Edinburgh City)
Lewis Davidson (Turriff Utd)
Conor Devaney (last seen at Coldstream)
Michael Dunlop (Forfar)
Ryan Fraser (AFC Bournemouth)
Fraser Fyvie (Hibs)
Nico Gibson (Edinburgh City)
Jack Grimmer (Fulham)
Ryan Jack (Aberdeen)
Nicky Low (Dundee)
Jamie Masson (Formartine Utd)
Declan McManus (Fleetwood)
Callum McRobbie (Albion Rovers)
Mitch Megginson (Alloa)
Craig Murray (East Fife)
Stephen O'Neill (Cumbernauld Colts)
Peter Pawlett (Aberdeen)
Clark Robertson (Blackpool)
Scott Ross (Peterhead)
Stirling Smith (Cove Rangers)

 

Celtic (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Callum Bagshaw (Formartine United)

Kieran Brennan (last club Whitburn)

Joe Chalmers (Motherwell)

Sean Fitzharris (Johnstone Burgh)

James Forrest (Celtic)

Declan Gallagher (Livingston)

Liam Gormley (East Kilbride)

John Herron (Blackpool)

James Keatings (Hibernian)

Jordan Lowdon (Arbroath)

Callum McGregor (Celtic)

Stephen O'Donnell (Luton)

Paul Slane (Clyde)

Greig Spence (Cowdenbeath)

Robbie Thomson (QOS)

Lewis Toshney (Raith Rovers)

 

Dundee (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Kyle Benedictus (Raith Rovers)

Gary Bartlett (last seen at Forfar West End)

Ross Carnegie (amateur football)

Danny Cavanagh (Tayport)

Scott Fowlie (last seen at Fraserburgh)

Michael Hutcheon (retired)

Gary Irons (Dundee North End)
Marc Mackie (last seen at Dundee North End)

Jake Mair (Broughty Athletic)

Leighton McIntosh (Peterhead)

Stuart Reid (last seen in Forfar 19s)

Connor Rennie (Deveronvale)

James Simpson (last seen at Blairgowrie)

Alan Tulleth (Tayport)

Graham Webster (Montrose)

 

[cmontheloknow]

Dundee United (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Scott Allan (Celtic)

Stuart Armstrong (Celtic)

Ryan Dow (Dundee United)

Jordan Elfverson (last seen at Arbroath)

Ryan Ferguson (Montrose)

Dale Hilson (QOS)

Cammy Howie (amateur football)
Michael Lee (Kennoway Star Hearts)

Brad Leitch (retired)

Marc McCallum (Livingston)

Kenny McCulley (last seen at Tayport)

Grant Mosson (Rossvale)

Liam Scott (last seen at Carnoustie Panmure)

David Shaw (Bellshill Ath)

Ross Smith (Stirling Albion)

Gavin Stokes (Petershill)

Louis Swanson (last seen at Lothian Thistle HV)

Willie Robertson (Stirling Albion)

Robert Thomson (BrechinCity)

Greg Whyte (last seen at St Andrews Utd)

John Young (amateur football)

 

 

Dunfermline Athletic (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Jamie Birnie (retired)

Shaun Byrne (Dunfermline Athletic)

Ross Drummond (Berwick Rangers)

Ryan Goodfellow (East Fife)

Steven Leslie (Thornton Hibs)

John MacDonald (EdinburghCity)

Scott Mackintosh (retired)

Ben Martin (last seen playing amateur football)

Blair McWhirter (Civil Service Strollers)

Grant Munro (Lothian Thistle HV)

Conor Schiavone (Lochgelly Albert)

Aaron Scott (last seen in USA)

Aaron Somerville (last seen in amateur football)

Ryan Thomson (Stranraer)

Jordan White (Livingston)

Paul Willis (Albion Rovers)

Kerr Young (Bonnyrigg Rose)

 
Falkirk (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Blair Alston (Falkirk)

Jamie Barclay (Stenhousemuir)

Lewis Bonar (University of Stirling FC)

Graham Bowman (Falkirk)

Scott Davidson (Petershill)

Kieran Duffie (last at Falkirk)

Dale Fulton (amateur football)

Jay Fulton (SwanseaCity)

Euen Grant (CockburnCity AUS)

Ally Graham (Yoker Athletic)

Conor Kelly (Linlithgow Rose)

Stephen Kingsley (SwanseaCity)

Joe McCafferty (last seen at Armadale Thistle)

Calum McLean (last seen at EdinburghCity)

Grant Santi (last seen at Alloa Ath U20s)

Murray Wallace (Scunthorpe Utd)    

 

[DA Baracus]

Shaun Byrne is at Livingston now

[parsforlife]

And as far as I'm aware kerr young has chosen the well trodden ex youth player path of drinking and fighting over attempting to have any sort of football career.

[cmontheloknow]

13 hours ago, DA Baracus said:

Shaun Byrne is at Livingston now

 

Maybe not that clear but at the top of the Aberdeen post it said "The whereabouts last year of players aged 16-19 in season 2010-11".  I made the list a month or two ago so haven't got round to updating it to account for transfers. A few of the Aberdeen ones for example have dropped (back) into non-league for the coming season, McRobbie for one iirc at Cumnock.

Ta for the correction though.

[cmontheloknow]

A few more of where they were in 2015-16...

 

Hamilton Academical (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Ali Crawford (Hamilton Accies)

Michael Devlin (Hamilton Accies)

Darren Dolan (East Stirlingshire)

Gary Fraser (Partick Thistle)

Grant Gillespie (Hamilton Accies)

Ziggy Gordon (Hamilton Accies)

David Hopkirk (Dunfermline Ath)

Andy Kennedy (last seen at Cumnock)

Lee Kilday (Morton)

Jordan Kirkpatrick (Clyde)

Euan Linday (Greenock Juniors)

Jordan McCue (last seen at Kirkintilloch Rob Roy)

Reece McGillion (Shettleston)

Conner McGlinchey (Arthurlie)

Brian McQueen (Clyde)

Kieran Millar (Stenhousemuir)

Andy Rankin (Yoker Athletic)

Chris Roxburgh (last seen at Penicuik Athletic)

Kyle Wilkie (East Fife)

 

 

Hearts (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Murray Christie (Civil Service Strollers)

Michael Deland (Newtongrange Star)

Connor Fairley (last seen at Stenhousemuir)

Colin Hamilton (Alloa)

Jack Hamilton (Hearts)

Shaun Hill (Haddington Athletic)

Jason Holt (Rangers)

Chris Kane (Cowdenbeath)

Billy King (Hearts)

Jamie McCormack (Stenhousemuir)

Kevin McHattie (Kilmarnock)

Brad McKay (St. Johnstone)

Jordan Morton (Airdrie)

Fraser Mullen (East Fife)

Aaron Murdoch (BSC Glasgow)

Dale O'Hara (Whitehill Welfare)

Scott Robinson (Dunfermline Ath)

David Smith (Falkirk)

Gordon Smith (ECU Joondalup (AUS))

Ryan Stewart (Fauldhouse Utd)

Craig Thomson (Newtongrange Star)

Danny Thomson (last seen at Armadale Thistle)

Chris Tobin (Civil Service Strollers)

Jamie Walker (Hearts)

John Wood (last seen at Stoneyburn)

 

 

Hibernian (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Phil Addison (Selkirk)

Callum Booth (Partick Thistle)

Calum Burns (University of Stirling FC)

Ross Caldwell (Cowdenbeath)

David Crawford (last seen at Shotts Bon Accord)

Jordon Forster (Hibernian)

David Gold (Arbroath)

Paul Grant (last seen at Bonnyirgg Rose)

Danny Handling (Hibernian)

Dean Horribine (Spartans)

Harry Monaghan (DerryCity)

Scott Smith (last seen at East Fife)

Scott Taggart (Dumbarton)

Jack Verth (last at Craigroyston)

[cmontheloknow]

12 hours ago, parsforlife said:

And as far as I'm aware kerr young has chosen the well trodden ex youth player path of drinking and fighting over attempting to have any sort of football career.

 

cheers - seems he left midseason anyway (without making an appearance in 15/16) to go to Bonnyrigg.

[The Grass Is Greener.]

League 2 should be left well alone atm, I'm only looking from the outside but it seems like quite an exciting time down there with new teams entering the league via promotion.

Let's see how all that plays out.

[1320Lichtie]

The under 20 teams are pretty shite tbh. Well in comparison to lower league clubs. You'll find most players from these teams either drop out of football completely or if they are good end up at a lower league club. The exceptions will more than likely have broken into the clubs first team come 18/19/20.

Cmon the lok now doing a smashing job of backing up this point.

The players in these teams are not future international players. And if they are they'll have broken into their clubs 1st team pretty quickly.

[cmontheloknow]

Some more U20s from 2010-11 and where they were last season:

 

Inverness CT

(Players born 1991-1994)

 

David Chambers (Lossiemouth)

Calum Dingwall (Formartine Utd)

Robert Donaldson (last seen at SpeyValley)

Neil Erskine (Ellon Utd)

Andrew Greig (Brora Rangers)

Murray Kinnaird (Cove Rangers)

Martin Laing (Inverurie Locos)

Andrew MacAskill (Turriff Utd)

Adam Macleod (Strathspey Thistle)

Chris Moir (NairnCounty)

Liam Polworth (Inverness CT)

Nick Ross (Dundee)

Graeme Shinnie (Aberdeen)

Tom Smith (retired)

Chad Stewart (retired)

Jack Sutherland (last seen at University of Stirling FC)

Kyle Whyte (last seen at Clachnacuddin)

Sean Porter (retired)

 

 

Kilmarnock (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Lee Ashcroft (Kilmarnock)

Gavin Brown (last seen at East Stirlingshire)

Reid Brown (last seen at IrvineVictoria)

Russell Cadwell (last seen in amateur football)

Alan Cairns (Glenafton Ath)

Ross Davidson (Albion Rovers)

Michael Doyle (St. Johnstone)

Gary Fisher (Albion Rovers)

Ross Fisher (East Stirlingshire)

Matthew Kennedy (CardiffCity)

Ross Lindsay (last seen at Clyde)

Callum McCluskey (last seen in amateur football)

Danny McKay (Neilston)

Rory McKenzie (Kilmarnock)

Roddy Paterson (Maybole)

Joe Slattery (Dalbeattie Star)

Greig Thorburn (Dalbeattie Star)

Chris Treacy (East Kilbride Thistle)

Aaron Wyllie (last seen at Troon)

 

 

Motherwell (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Stuart Carswell (St. Mirren)

Chris Connor (retired)

Lee Erwin (Leeds Utd)

Gavin Griffen (last seen at Cambuslang Rangers)

Bradley Halsman (NairnCounty)

Jordan Halsman (ElginCity)

Steven Howarth (last seen at Vale of Clyde)

Peter Innes (last seen at Albion Rovers)

Steven Lawless (Partick Thistle)

Michael Lynch (last seen in juvenile football)

Kieran MacDonald (Airdrieonians)

Kieran McGachie (Bonnyrigg Rose)

Bob McHugh (Falkirk)

Ross McKinnon (BSC Glasgow)

Dean McLean (last seen at Forth Wanderers)

Stevie Meechan (Kilbirnie Ladeside)

Willie Muir (Queen's Park)

Euan Murray (Stenhousemuir)

Jamie Pollock (amateur football)

Dario Quinn (retired)

Steven Saunders (Dumbarton, just signed for TNS)

Liam Sloan (East Kilbride Thistle)

Gary Smith (Arthurlie)

Josh Watt (Cumnock)

Ryan Scanlan (Cambuslang Rangers)

 

[Wilky1878]

On 07/07/2016 at 14:58, RabidAl said:

Ah well, things are clearly great as they are then: no need for change when our under 20 teams are 'shite' and our national team hasn't been doing too well over a period of decades. 

If only there was a way for our best youngsters to gain more experience at a higher level, train them better, and allow them to develop effective relationships by playing alongside each other game after game...

There is a way for that to happen. It's called a loan.

[Enigma]

As much as I really wouldn't like it to happen I do worry that in terms of youth player development there might be something in it. It's well established in Germany and Spain who arguably are producing the best young players in Europe right now, France aside.

It would require structural change, perhaps two 16 team leagues for which B teams can't play in sitting above an 18 team conference limited to say 5 or 6 B teams. I wouldn't be wildly against that.

[HibeeJibee]

Plenty nations with B teams are poor, and plenty without do perfectly well including England, Italy, Wales, Northern Ireland, Eire, Poland, Netherlands*, Portugal, Turkey, Ukraine, Iceland, etc. etc.

*3 B teams have been allowed to fill spaces in the Eerste Divisie

[1320Lichtie]

As much as I really wouldn't like it to happen I do worry that in terms of youth player development there might be something in it. It's well established in Germany and Spain who arguably are producing the best young players in Europe right now, France aside.

It would require structural change, perhaps two 16 team leagues for which B teams can't play in sitting above an 18 team conference limited to say 5 or 6 B teams. I wouldn't be wildly against that.

Don't really think the reason for Spain and Germany being good is that some of their clubs reserve teams get to play competitive football against the countries diddy clubs

[Enigma]

Don't really think the reason for Spain and Germany being good is that some of their clubs reserve teams get to play competitive football against the countries diddy clubs

Youth players playing against men's teams is surely better that another bunch of plooky youths. Not saying it's the reason but it may play a part. Loans serve a purpose but for various reasons clubs won't want some youth to go on loan and some youth who would won't be able to get an offer.

[1320Lichtie]

Youth players playing against men's teams is surely better that another bunch of plooky youths. Not saying it's the reason but it may play a part. Loans serve a purpose but for various reasons clubs won't want some youth to go on loan and some youth who would won't be able to get an offer.

Said this in the other thread but there's plenty of youngsters getting games, sadly the quality of them is the problem. If a young player can't break into a first team up here with the way things are at the moment they'll never be near the national team anyway.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35391918

[cmontheloknow]

Partick Thistle (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Stuart Bannigan (Partick Thistle)

Jonathon Baxter (last seen in amateur football)

Mark Burbidge (Clydebank)

Kieran Burns (last seen at BSC Glasgow)

Jamie Campbell (Greenock Juniors)

Ryan Clougherty (last seen in juvenile football)

Andrew Dunbar (retired)

Shaun Fraser (Maryhill)

Scott Hodge (retired)

Ryan Kennedy (last seen in juvenile football)

Chris Ketterer (Petershill)

Kyle Lochhead (Blantyre Vics)

Ryan McBeth (Cambuslang Rangers)

Ross McGeough (last seen in amateur football)

Jordan McGrotty (last seen in juvenile football)

Lance Pearce (last seen in amateur football)

Ryan Scully (Partick Thistle)

Graeme Shepherd (Cumnock)

Colin Stevenson (last seen in juvenile football)

 

 

 

Rangers (Players born 1991-1994)

Grant Adam (Cowdenbeath)

Archie Campbell (Kelty Hearts)

Lee Cochrane (Auchinleck Talbot)

Darren Cole (Livingston)

Robbie Crawford (Rangers)

Blair Currie (Annan Athletic)

Gordon Dick (last seen at Cambuslang Rangers)

Marc Dyer (Craigmark Burntonians)

John Fleck (CoventryCity)

Gregor Fotheringham (Camelon)

Adam Hunter (last seen at Arbroath, out long-term injured)

Kyle Hutton (QOS)

Gary Inglis (Lochore Welfare)

Lewis MacLeod (Brentford)

Nicky Main (last seen at Lossiemouth)

Anthony Merenghi (Stenhousemuir, just signed for East Kilbride FC)

Kyle McAusland (Alloa)

Rhys McCabe (Dunfermline Ath)

Dylan McGeouch (Hibernian)

Robbie McIntyre (Tynecastle)

Ewan McNeil (Berwick Rangers)

Jamie Mills (Rangers)

Jamie Ness (Scunthorpe United)

Kal Naismith (Portsmouth)

Michael Noble (Haddington Ath)

Frankie Owens (Maryhill)

Scott Rumsby (Stranraer)

Chris Scott (retired)

George Scott (last seen at Cumbernauld Utd)

Max Wright (East Stirlingshire)

Gregg Wylde (Plymouth Argyle)

Callum Wyllie (Lochgelly Albert)

 

Ross County (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Gordon Finlayson (Forres Mechanics)

Ryan MacDonald (Clachnacuddin)

Joe Malin (Brora Rangers)

Sean McCarthy (WickAcademy)

Ross Naismith (NairnCounty)

Liam Nicholson (last seen at Invergordon)

Russell Taylor (retired)

Steven Ross (ElginCity)

Archie MacPhee (ElginCity)

St. Johnstone (Players born 1991-1994)

Zander Clark (St. Johnstone)

Neil Duffy (last seen at Culter)

Mark Durnan (Dundee United)

Scott Gray (Bonnyrigg Rose)

Aiden Hendry (Dundonald Bluebell)

Chris Kane (St. Johnstone)

Johnny Lindsay (Cumnock)

Stevie May (PNE)

Callum McConnell (last seen at Forfar Athletic U20s)

Ricky McIntosh (Shettleston)

Chris Moffat (Preston Athletic)

Stephen Reynolds (retired)

Gareth Rodger (Forfar Athletic)

Ryan Sullivan (Cumbernauld United)

 

 

St. Mirren (Players born 1991-1994)

 

Sean Burns (last seen in juvenile football)

Connor Cassidy (retired)

Hashim Cole (Clydebank)

Bradley Coyne (last seen at Clyde)

Kyle Faulds (University of Stirling FC)

Ryan Frances (Shettleston)

Josh Horne (last seen at Irvine Meadow)

Dominic Kennedy (last seen at Albion Rovers)

Mark Lamont (Stirling Albion)

Creag Little (Largs Thistle)

Ally Love (Albion Rovers)

Jamie McKernan (Queen's Park)

Michael McKinven (Linlithgow Rose)

Mark McLennan (Pollok)

Kenny McLean (Aberdeen)

Jon McShane (HumeCity AUS)

Jason Naismith (St. Mirren)

Graham Ramage (Shettleston)

Conor Ramsey (Johnstone Burgh)

Thomas Reilly (ElginCity)

Craig Slater (Kilmarnock)

 

[Wile E Coyote]

Lee Cochrane left Talbot midway through last season to go back to Johnstone Burgh (who Talbot signed him from).

I believe he has now signed for Renfrew for the forthcoming season

[vikingTON]

On 7/10/2016 at 23:35, HibeeJibee said:

Plenty nations with B teams are poor, and plenty without do perfectly well including England, Italy, Wales, Northern Ireland, Eire, Poland, Netherlands*, Portugal, Turkey, Ukraine, Iceland, etc. etc.

*3 B teams have been allowed to fill spaces in the Eerste Divisie

Portugal has B teams: five of them play in the second tier.

The point of B sides is to benefit the elite clubs by giving them the means to assess their already bloated squads over a longer term and in a reasonably competitive environment. There is an argument in which that could help elite clubs perform in European football, but I see no good reason why the interests of around 30 league clubs, as well as the two feeder non-league levels, should be placed beneath the credible interests of six or so clubs who stand to regularly compete in European football. The bottom line is though that the purpose of inserting B teams into a league setup has never been about improving the national side. And nor should it be. The purpose of club football is not to prop up its utterly shit cousin, international football. The SFA has substantial financial incentives to make it so, but that is why club-run league bodies should have the final say over any changes in the club game, rather than the blazers. Hamish Husband and his band of TA tossers are not the core constituency of Scottish football: ordinary club fans are. 

 

 

[honestly united]

I can see the arguments for both sides, however if done properly I cant see the problem. I appreciate that some don't want to see their clubs playing against youth teams etc, however if as discussed above the players aren't that good, they would never reach a decent level anyway.

Instead of it being u20's or youth sides, if they were set up proper new clubs, all contracts and money's were separate from the parent club etc similar to the feeder club situation that the bigger clubs use now anyway (although they are usually in another country). I wouldn't have a problem adding them in when / or if there was a re-organisation of regional leagues below SPFL2, but wouldn't let them any higher than the championship. As long as all the players were on a full years contract and had the same rules on movement as any other players - ie no flip flopping between parent and feeder. Although I suppose this would open the door to a big club buying into another team in the league system as a feeder rather than setting up a new one.